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If the cast member who decided to leave was Johnny instead of Jim, would the series still end?


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4 minutes ago, Tensor said:

Look, all we can go by, is what is actually known. Prior to Jim’s announcement, Lorre had stated the show would not go on if Johnny, Kaley or Jim left.  We also now know, from Kaley, that Johnny and Kaley were looking toward, and expected a 13th season.  Jim, knowing what would happen if he left, made a valid personal decision to leave the show,  effectively ending the show. 
I’m not  condemning Jim for leaving, because after 12 years there are all sorts of valid personal reasons for leaving. Those facts are out there.  To deny his leaving ended the show, or conversely, to condemn Jim for a valid personal decision is simply ignoring those facts. 

I haven't agreed, will not agree and will never agree It was CL's axe that made the final blow

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Just now, shell said:

I haven't agreed, will not agree and will never agree It was CL's axe that made the final blow

Do you deny Jim made his decision, aware of what Lorre had said about what would happen if he left?

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12 minutes ago, shell said:

So what He did not want the show to end He just wanted to end his position

That’s not an answer to my question.  Do you deny Jim made his decision, aware of what Lorre had said about what would happen if he left?

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12 minutes ago, Tensor said:

Do you deny Jim made his decision, aware of what Lorre had said about what would happen if he left?

It is my understanding that the stories reported at the time was that CBS wanted two more years and I assumed all involved would negotiate for only one more year. I believe, according to the reports, that this was on a Friday and JP gave his decision to CL. Then over the weekend CL and others tried to convince JP to do one more year. When they could not change his mind then on Monday he spoke with the cast to tell them the news.

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12 minutes ago, Tensor said:

That’s not an answer to my question.  Do you deny Jim made his decision, aware of what Lorre had said about what would happen if he left?

I have no idea I wasn't there and you weren't either I am moving on and NO I don't agree with you

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3 minutes ago, shell said:

I have no idea I wasn't there and you weren't either I am moving on and NO I don't agree with you

You didn’t have to be there.  Lorre mentioned it before Jim made his decision, so Jim was aware. And being aware Jim knew the consequences of his decision.  There’s nothing wrong with his decision, I’m not blaming him for leaving.  The show ending was simply a result of his decision.  There’s nothing wrong with that. 
So, I’m not quite sure why you seem so upset by this, and want to deny the known facts. 

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4 minutes ago, Tensor said:

You didn’t have to be there.  Lorre mentioned it before Jim made his decision, so Jim was aware. And being aware Jim knew the consequences of his decision.  There’s nothing wrong with his decision, I’m not blaming him for leaving.  The show ending was simply a result of his decision.  There’s nothing wrong with that. 
So, I’m not quite sure why you seem so upset by this, and want to deny the known facts. 

I am not upset. It seems to me that no matter what, I am suppose to agree with you even when I don't. I would say you are the one upset because you can't seem to let this go. In my eyes CL decided the show will end, they could have tried to convince him to change his mind but he didn't. He had the final say. We can say we heard things thru the grapevine but we will never really know everything that was said. 

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On 3/16/2021 at 1:07 PM, shell said:

I am not upset. It seems to me that no matter what, I am suppose to agree with you even when I don't. I would say you are the one upset because you can't seem to let this go. In my eyes CL decided the show will end, they could have tried to convince him to change his mind but he didn't. He had the final say. We can say we heard things thru the grapevine but we will never really know everything that was said. 

I just thought you were upset, because you keep saying you’re moving on, or are done, but keep answering.  Lorre had previously decided the show would end, ( and this wasn’t through the grapevine, it was actual quotes) if either Kaley, Jim, or Johnny left.  Jim decided to leave, triggering that decision. Is there something wrong with Jim deciding to leave?  Nope.  But, there no denying it was his decision to leave, that brought the show to an end. If Johnny or Kaley had decided to leave, that would have triggered the end of the show. 

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8 hours ago, seriallnumber said:

I don't think they could continue without any of them, or indeed Mayim, and I don't include Mayim because of how much I love her.

I disagree. The show could continue and probably be just as good or better. It would have returned to a more ensemble based show. Just my opinion of course. I know some will disagree but that's life.

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On 3/11/2021 at 8:42 AM, HeWolf said:

While I do not fault JP for wanting to move on with his career, TBBT effectively died the minute he announced he would not do another season. So, in that respect, I do blame Jim. For Chuck Lorre to say there were no more stories to be told is short sighted. A good writing team could have brought some good material for the other characters and told some entertaining stories. Would those stories have been embraced by TBBT fans? I don't know. Fact is a lot of the fans were not exactly enamored with the last several seasons so it is definitely uncertain what reception a Sheldonless TBBT would have received.

It is interesting that JP, who wanted to move on from Sheldon, is still hooked to the character on a weekly basis, while the others have truly had to move onto other projects. For most of this cast TBBT will be the crowning moment of their respective careers. I don't follow them as closely as some but only JP and KC seem to be maintaining any serious career momentum.

Said this as my original take and still see it the same way. I suppose Mayim's name should be added to the last sentence as she seems to be doing quite well between Jeopardy gigs and Call Me Kat

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On 3/11/2021 at 7:42 AM, HeWolf said:

While I do not fault JP for wanting to move on with his career, TBBT effectively died the minute he announced he would not do another season. So, in that respect, I do blame Jim. For Chuck Lorre to say there were no more stories to be told is short sighted. A good writing team could have brought some good material for the other characters and told some entertaining stories. Would those stories have been embraced by TBBT fans? I don't know. Fact is a lot of the fans were not exactly enamored with the last several seasons so it is definitely uncertain what reception a Sheldonless TBBT would have received.

It is interesting that JP, who wanted to move on from Sheldon, is still hooked to the character on a weekly basis, while the others have truly had to move onto other projects. For most of this cast TBBT will be the crowning moment of their respective careers. I don't follow them as closely as some but only JP and KC seem to be maintaing any serious career momentum.

Yeah, Johnny seems more interested in fatherhood than anything else. He may be dabbing his fingers into producing, but  his son is more important to him. 

On 3/11/2021 at 7:42 AM, HeWolf said:

While I do not fault JP for wanting to move on with his career, TBBT effectively died the minute he announced he would not do another season. So, in that respect, I do blame Jim. For Chuck Lorre to say there were no more stories to be told is short sighted. A good writing team could have brought some good material for the other characters and told some entertaining stories. Would those stories have been embraced by TBBT fans? I don't know. Fact is a lot of the fans were not exactly enamored with the last several seasons so it is definitely uncertain what reception a Sheldonless TBBT would have received.

It is interesting that JP, who wanted to move on from Sheldon, is still hooked to the character on a weekly basis, while the others have truly had to move onto other projects. For most of this cast TBBT will be the crowning moment of their respective careers. I don't follow them as closely as some but only JP and KC seem to be maintaing any serious career momentum.

Yeah, Johnny seems more interested in fatherhood than anything else. He may be dabbing his fingers into producing, but  his son is more important to him. 

As for Jim, Mayim or the rest of the cast, I don't follow them at all. I read anything on Johnny and Kaley.  But,  they were my favorite actors and they played my favorite characters.

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9 hours ago, HeWolf said:

Said this as my original take and still see it the same way. I suppose Mayim's name should be added to the last sentence as she seems to be doing quite well between Jeopardy gigs and Call Me Kat

Agree there could have been many more stories to tell especially for Penny & Leonard and Raj. For instance: they never had an episode for Penny's birthday, they could of had P&L visiting her parents in Nebraska, maybe Penny and Leonard getting promotions at work, having Raj settling down with a girlfriend or even reconnecting with Anu,  etc.

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11 hours ago, Mario D. said:

Agree there could have been many more stories to tell especially for Penny & Leonard and Raj. For instance: they never had an episode for Penny's birthday, they could of had P&L visiting her parents in Nebraska, maybe Penny and Leonard getting promotions at work, having Raj settling down with a girlfriend or even reconnecting with Anu,  etc.

Yeah,  I agree. There were many options for storylines that were neglected. The writers and producers wasted too much time on Shamy's run for the Nobel and wedding planning. I keep thinking of what might have been. 

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13 hours ago, gwhh said:

Lenard is in an accident and goes into a coma.  You could write around him real easy. 

Well, this was a sit-com so something dark like that would probably not go over too well. However, there are some great fan-fiction stories that could have translated into the show eg: Leonard gets an asthma attack, Leonard has an accident in the lab with a laser, and there was one story where Leonard does get into an auto accident but does not get as serious as going into a coma. Think this one is called "Collision Course"

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1 hour ago, Mario D. said:

Well, this was a sit-com so something dark like that would probably not go over too well. However, there are some great fan-fiction stories that could have translated into the show eg: Leonard gets an asthma attack, Leonard has an accident in the lab with a laser, and there was one story where Leonard does get into an auto accident but does not get as serious as going into a coma. Think this one is called "Collision Course"

There are many stories out there that showed Leonard getting hurt and Penny there by his side. 😊

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