episodes 1203 'The Procreation Calculation' (October 4)

[JohnPhD]

On 11/13/2018 at 3:08 PM, chucky said:

To me, "I could care less" means I care less than the other poster cares, or more likely I don't care at all. 

This is a minor example of Two nations divided by a common language.

[joyceraye]

17 minutes ago, JohnPhD said:

This is a minor example of Two nations divided by a common language.

Indeed. For learners of English : the correct form when you don't care at all is 'I couldn't care less'.  In the USA it's common to omit the 'n't'  but it's a mistake and makes no sense.

[chucky]

4 hours ago, JohnPhD said:

This is a minor example of Two nations divided by a common language.

It is, ain't it!

[Die Zimtzicke]

5 hours ago, joyceraye said:

Indeed. For learners of English : the correct form when you don't care at all is 'I couldn't care less'.  In the USA it's common to omit the 'n't'  but it's a mistake and makes no sense.

I totally agree. If you could care less, then you could care less, and that means you could also care more.

[chucky]

6 hours ago, joyceraye said:

Indeed. For learners of English : the correct form when you don't care at all is 'I couldn't care less'.  In the USA it's common to omit the 'n't'  but it's a mistake and makes no sense.

I been speaking English for almost 63 years. I say it and print it how I see fit. You don't like how I say it, that's your prerogative. It don't make sense to you, but to this old, Southern Red-neck, it makes plumb good sense. Your  English is your English, mine is good ole Southern English. So I guess we will disagree here!!!!

Edited November 14, 2018 by chucky

[Stephen Hawking]

Can you hire a car, without taking/having insurance for it?

[joyceraye]

3 hours ago, Stephen Hawking said:

Can you hire a car, without taking/having insurance for it?

Even if you can, the very idea of not insuring a Batmoblie is frightening ! Do you think Penny was joking ?

Edited November 25, 2018 by joyceraye

[chucky]

On 11/14/2018 at 4:49 PM, Die Zimtzicke said:

I totally agree. If you could care less, then you could care less, and that means you could also care more.

To each their own point of view.

[Stephen Hawking]

10 hours ago, joyceraye said:

Even if you can, the very idea of not insuring a Batmoblie is frightening!

Driving any uninsured vehicle is stupid in the extreme.

Never mind the cost of the vehicle you are driving, what if you cause an accident which kills or cripples someone? You could be facing a multi-million dollar lawsuit.

That's why, here in the UK, uninsured driving is treated as very serious matter, comparable with Drink Driving.

[Die Zimtzicke]

10 hours ago, chucky said:

To each their own point of view.

Absolutely, always. And each is as valid as anyone else's.

[chucky]

1 hour ago, Die Zimtzicke said:

Absolutely, always. And each is as valid as anyone else's.

I agree even if I disagree with the point of view!

[TLW]

On 10/5/2018 at 1:45 PM, Chrismo said:

What was her reason not to have kids?

It seemed like they never really gave one.

On 10/7/2018 at 12:04 AM, Chrismo said:

Knee jerk decisions are what Penny does best.

 

 

On 10/15/2018 at 2:46 PM, Mario D. said:

I think when Penny was talking to Bernadette she was just going over that scenario in her head. But Bernadette not supporting her in no-baby issue kind of  brought back Penny's stubborn streak and she got more determined to make that decision. 

 

On 10/15/2018 at 3:12 PM, Mario D. said:

I am like you but I think there is some underlying reason why she does not want kids. Hopefully, it will be revealed in later episodes as Leonard never did ask her why she did not want kids.

I think it all goes back to her commitment issues. She feels back into a corner and makes a knee jerk reaction.

On 11/2/2018 at 3:15 PM, Mario D. said:

After watching this episode I too felt there was something deeper in Penny's feelings to not have children.  Maybe it is her fear of committment that always surfaces when she is faced with a big decision.  She could not committ to Leonard after their first date saying he was too smart for her but then dating David Underhill,  after they managed to be together she could not committ to a deeper relationship when Leonard said he loved her....and then regretted it,  after re-kindling their romance she could not committ to marriage after Leonard had repeatedly asked her, and then after a year of being engaged she could not committ to marriage until it was right in front of her and they eloped to Las Vegas.  So, maybe this baby issue is just an extension of her fears of committment.  I think it is a little late to see Penny pregnant at this point, although there are quite a few comedic situations that can arise from that, but in IMO I think what could happen is possibly at Raj and Anu's wedding she gets sick and thinks she might be pregnant.

This seems to back up the idea that it's a commitment issue.

[chucky]

54 minutes ago, TLW said:

It seemed like they never really gave one.

 

 

I think it all goes back to her commitment issues. She feels back into a corner and makes a knee jerk reaction.

This seems to back up the idea that it's a commitment issue.

I think it most definitely was a commitment issue.

[NeckShotLime]

Seems to me that she got over her commitment issues when she suggested they went to Vegas to get married. Her changing her mind on having children was more down to her own insecurities I think.

[chucky]

32 minutes ago, NeckShotLime said:

Seems to me that she got over her commitment issues when she suggested they went to Vegas to get married. Her changing her mind on having children was more down to her own insecurities I think.

We'll never know because "the writers " seemed to enjoy having a Lenny marriage and or relationship that was conflicted. They had more angst and arguments than any of the other couples combined. Well maybe except for Raj's complicated relationships. Don't get me started on Penny's snarkiness towards Leonard. 

[HeWolf]

32 minutes ago, chucky said:

We'll never know because "the writers " seemed to enjoy having a Lenny marriage and or relationship that was conflicted. 

And there you have it. All of this stuff about Penny having commitment issues is interesting, but it is ultimately just speculation based upon prior behaviors. The Lenny relationship was always on the precipice in the writer's room. We now have proof available that the writers/producers contemplated breaking them up many times with only a small group seeing them as the TBBT endgame.

[Mario D.]

7 minutes ago, HeWolf said:

And there you have it. All of this stuff about Penny having commitment issues is interesting, but it is ultimately just speculation based upon prior behaviors. The Lenny relationship was always on the precipice in the writer's room. We now have proof available that the writers/producers contemplated breaking them up many times with only a small group seeing them as the TBBT endgame.

This seems to be true. From Jessica Radloff's book it is shown that the writers at first wanted to break Penny and Leonard up on their way to Las Vegas but thought better of it as their relationship was nine years in the making. And also I think they felt they would lose a good portion of their audience if that were to happen. Believe this was also their thinking in the last season with Penny not wanting children and then ultimately getting pregnant and being ok with it.

[chucky]

2 hours ago, HeWolf said:

And there you have it. All of this stuff about Penny having commitment issues is interesting, but it is ultimately just speculation based upon prior behaviors. The Lenny relationship was always on the precipice in the writer's room. We now have proof available that the writers/producers contemplated breaking them up many times with only a small group seeing them as the TBBT endgame.

Agreed. 😊

2 hours ago, Mario D. said:

This seems to be true. From Jessica Radloff's book it is shown that the writers at first wanted to break Penny and Leonard up on their way to Las Vegas but thought better of it as their relationship was nine years in the making. And also I think they felt they would lose a good portion of their audience if that were to happen. Believe this was also their thinking in the last season with Penny not wanting children and then ultimately getting pregnant and being ok with it.

😊 yep, that seems to be true. They didn't break them up,  but just provided the angst and arguments to make it seem they should break up. In the Season 10 Episode 1, Penny claimed Leonard was the love of her life and he made her incredibly happy. Yet she continued to be snarky towards him. Seems she was taking Sheldon's side in all arguments. As his wife, she should have supported him in public and discuss it in private.

[TLW]

Did Penny ever say before episode 12:03 that she didn't want kids? Someone on Reddit claimed that she said it around the time that Bernadette announced her pregnancy, saying something like she didn't want kids but she was going to be the cool aunt who taught them how to cuss. I don't recall that at all.

[NeckShotLime]

No before 12.03 when the baby topic was brought up Penny's answers were " I'm not in any rush but someday,yeah sure" (season 9, karaoke episode ) and " I want to do all these things someday ( season 11). This one was when  Leonard mentioned buying a house or having a baby.

Season 7 she said she wouldn't put "this body through three kids", she didn't say no to children. 

The cool aunt thing was in a conversation with Amy in 12.03 actually. Penny and Bernie didn't have a conversation about babies at the time of Bernie's first pregnancy. 

"Penny always said she didn't want children" is something you read a lot but it's simply not true. While she may not have had an overly enthusiastic response about children,she never said no to motherhood until 12.03.

 

Edited April 4 by NeckShotLime

[chucky]

7 hours ago, TLW said:

Did Penny ever say before episode 12:03 that she didn't want kids? Someone on Reddit claimed that she said it around the time that Bernadette announced her pregnancy, saying something like she didn't want kids but she was going to be the cool aunt who taught them how to cuss. I don't recall that at all.

No,  she never said anything about not wanting kids before Season 12. The cool aunt remarks came in Season 12 when Amy was upset that Penny didn't want kids. I think that was the first time I heard Amy say something about them breastfeeding each other's babies. Kaley's facial expression was hilarious. 

[Mario D.]

3 hours ago, NeckShotLime said:

No before 12.03 when the baby topic was brought up Penny's answers were " I'm not in any rush but someday,yeah sure" (season 9, karaoke episode ) and " I want to do all these things someday ( season 11). This one was when  Leonard mentioned buying a house or having a baby.

Season 7 she said she wouldn't put "this body through three kids", she didn't say no to children. 

The cool aunt thing was in a conversation with Amy in 12.03 actually. Penny and Bernie didn't have a conversation about babies at the time of Bernie's first pregnancy. 

"Penny always said she didn't want children" is something you read a lot but it's simply not true. While she may not have had an overly enthusiastic response about children,she never said no to motherhood until 12.03.

 

Agree with everything you noted. This is exactly what transpired

[chucky]

39 minutes ago, Mario D. said:

Agree with everything you noted. This is exactly what transpired

Yep!