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1206 'The Imitation Perturbation' (October 25)


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8 hours ago, chucky said:

Yes, he is, but easily the most expendable!

My point is I like seeing evenly distributed screen time. And not everything from Sheldons Pov. It actually meant Leonard and Penny got more phrasing than they have in recent memory. 

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9 hours ago, 3ku11 said:

My point is I like seeing evenly distributed screen time. And not everything from Sheldons Pov. It actually meant Leonard and Penny got more phrasing than they have in recent memory. 

I got what you meant, just threw in that bit on Raj for fun.

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It shows how beaten down we old-line fans are that we're grateful for any scrap of Lenny love. Only episode 6 and already you give us a Lenny kiss! You are truly spoiling us, programme-makers. It's a bit ironic that they were discussing their first kiss, as kisses now are as rare for married Lenny as they were before they first became a couple.

I remain puzzled by what the writers are doing with Amy. She hogs screentime and is treated as a romantic heroine, yet every so often they remind us what a truly nasty piece of work she is. Howard's dressing up as Sheldon was funny and good-humoured and done at the workplace, but Amy's mockery of Bernadette was malicious, unfunny, and intruded into the party. It doesn't make sense for the others to tolerate Amy. Why on earth do B & P imagine she's their friend? Are they supposed to be idiots in that respect? This ep demonstrated that P does know how to lock the door, so why doesn't she use it to stop A barging in uninvited?

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30 minutes ago, JohnPhD said:

It shows how beaten down we old-line fans are that we're grateful for any scrap of Lenny love. Only episode 6 and already you give us a Lenny kiss! You are truly spoiling us, programme-makers. It's a bit ironic that they were discussing their first kiss, as kisses now are as rare for married Lenny as they were before they first became a couple.

I remain puzzled by what the writers are doing with Amy. She hogs screentime and is treated as a romantic heroine, yet every so often they remind us what a truly nasty piece of work she is. Howard's dressing up as Sheldon was funny and good-humoured and done at the workplace, but Amy's mockery of Bernadette was malicious, unfunny, and intruded into the party. It doesn't make sense for the others to tolerate Amy. Why on earth do B & P imagine she's their friend? Are they supposed to be idiots in that respect? This ep demonstrated that P does know how to lock the door, so why doesn't she use it to stop A barging in uninvited?

Those are the same questions and thoughts I've had for years!

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2 hours ago, JohnPhD said:

I remain puzzled by what the writers are doing with Amy. She hogs screentime and is treated as a romantic heroine, yet every so often they remind us what a truly nasty piece of work she is.

Not everyone feels that way. Many fans like her. And based on the way she's written, the writers do not see her that way. They like her. They made sure to have Penny make it clear that Amy was her best friend, for one example. There was no hesitation with that. And the show remained #1 with Amy around, after all. It's a question of different strokes for different folks.

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4 hours ago, Die Zimtzicke said:

Not everyone feels that way. Many fans like her. And based on the way she's written, the writers do not see her that way. They like her. They made sure to have Penny make it clear that Amy was her best friend, for one example. There was no hesitation with that. And the show remained #1 with Amy around, after all. It's a question of different strokes for different folks.

You are correct not everyone feels that way but i won't be surprised if there are quite a few viewers who do. Yes fans like Amy but it been many fans is debatable. The writers might not see her that way, doesn't mean to some viewers she does come across like that. Also remember in the second half of season ten. Lenny where written badly from the pov of fans and critics. Yet the writers didn't see a problem with how they where wrote they even thought it was funny. So it shows there can be a disconnect between what is written and how viewers perceive it. One last point yes they did have Penny say Amy was her best friend however she also told Leonard he was her best friend. 

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1 hour ago, Zephon75 said:

You are correct not everyone feels that way but i won't be surprised if there are quite a few viewers who do. Yes fans like Amy but it been many fans is debatable. The writers might not see her that way, doesn't mean to some viewers she does come across like that. Also remember in the second half of season ten. Lenny where written badly from the pov of fans and critics. Yet the writers didn't see a problem with how they where wrote they even thought it was funny. So it shows there can be a disconnect between what is written and how viewers perceive it. One last point yes they did have Penny say Amy was her best friend however she also told Leonard he was her best friend. 

BINGO! It's as if you read my mind!

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On 11/23/2018 at 10:21 AM, Capt. Hilts said:

Damn!  I hate it when Colonel Potter hogs screen time from Hawkeye and Klinger!

You win comment of the day.

 

On 11/23/2018 at 12:54 PM, Zephon75 said:

Also remember in the second half of season ten. Lenny where written badly from the pov of fans and critics. Yet the writers didn't see a problem with how they where wrote they even thought it was funny. So it shows there can be a disconnect between what is written and how viewers perceive it.

Yes, but the writers quit caring about what happened to Lenny years ago. At least back to when Bernie was first pregnant.  Maybe earlier. When is debatable but they don't care. They care about the rest of the characters. The focus has been on Shamy and Howardette for awhile, and now they seem to be starting to focus on Raj. That's just the way it seems to be going and I don't think the fans can do a single thing about it.

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On 11/23/2018 at 7:18 PM, Die Zimtzicke said:

Yes, but the writers quit caring about what happened to Lenny years ago. At least back to when Bernie was first pregnant.  Maybe earlier. When is debatable but they don't care. They care about the rest of the characters.  The focus has been on Shamy and Howardette for awhile, and now they seem to be starting to focus on Raj. That's just the way it seems to be going and I don't think the fans can do a single thing about it.

It may look that way, but it's Lenny's role to be the plodders on the surface. They're rescuers and supporters very often. I don't see what's wrong with having one of the couples playing straight man. Somebody has to and Penny's role from the beginning was to be the worldly-wise woman who landed among the nerds. Leonard was always the most sensible of the bunch. Lenny's relatively minor quirks still provide wonderful contrast to the antics and weirdnesses of the others. Even if Lenny's own scenes are short at times and their adventures tend to occur only as reports in retrospect, they're very important people. Assigning that position to stars of the show was IMHO a bold move.

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3 hours ago, joyceraye said:

It may look that way, but it's Lenny's role to be the plodders on the surface. They're rescuers and supporters very often. I don't see what's wrong with having one of the couples playing straight man. Somebody has to and Penny's role from the beginning was to be the worldly-wise woman who landed among the nerds. Leonard was always the most sensible of the bunch. Lenny's relatively minor quirks still provide wonderful contrast to the antics and weirdnesses of the others. Even if Lenny's own scenes are short at times and their adventures tend to occur only as reports in retrospect, they're very important people. Assigning that position to stars of the show was IMHO a bold move.

I see you're trying to put a good smell to a skunk!

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5 hours ago, joyceraye said:

It may look that way, but it's Lenny's role to be the plodders on the surface. They're rescuers and supporters very often. I don't see what's wrong with having one of the couples playing straight man. Somebody has to and Penny's role from the beginning was to be the worldly-wise woman who landed among the nerds. Leonard was always the most sensible of the bunch. Lenny's relatively minor quirks still provide wonderful contrast to the antics and weirdnesses of the others. Even if Lenny's own scenes are short at times and their adventures tend to occur only as reports in retrospect, they're very important people. Assigning that position to stars of the show was IMHO a bold move.

I think there's an issue of balance. Sure, they both play the straight man role most of the time, and they are needed in this role, but that doesn't mean they cannot get their own plots. It also does not justify all the negative and the OOC and history alternating stuff the writers throw at them, like the boat kiss, episodes like "The Romance Reasonance" and the recent sudden flip in Penny's opinion about having kids that came out of nowhere and mostly just left many fans upset.

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On 11/23/2018 at 7:18 PM, Die Zimtzicke said:

Yes, but the writers quit caring about what happened to Lenny years ago. At least back to when Bernie was first pregnant.  Maybe earlier. When is debatable but they don't care. They care about the rest of the characters. That's just the way it seems to be going and I don't think the fans can do a single thing about it.

This post is harsh, but I agree. 

I think they stopped caring that much about Lenny after they got engaged, and TBH, I think S.8, S.9, and S.10 were like "adding oil to the fire", not good...

 

On 11/23/2018 at 7:18 PM, Die Zimtzicke said:

The focus has been on Shamy and Howardette for awhile, and now they seem to be starting to focus on Raj. 

This season so far has been a wonderful Howardette festival to me, I'm very happy and grateful about this. I've never thought we would get more Howardette/Bernie centric episodes in this final season, but apparently,  we already got TWO Bernie centric plots out of 9 episodes, LMAO...

 

On 11/23/2018 at 7:18 PM, Die Zimtzicke said:

and now they seem to be starting to focus on Raj.

Not "starting", but "continuing".  According to Tensor's Character Screen Time thread, up until 11X18 last season, Raj had more screen time than both Penny and Amy.  Last season, Raj got the planetarium job, new love interest, this season, he got a fiance and apparently there will be a wedding next February, so there will be more of Raj's plots, I think.

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On 11/2/2018 at 8:43 AM, 3ku11 said:

Like Bernadette said. He has been mocking Howard for years.

Howard did start it though.

On 11/2/2018 at 8:43 AM, 3ku11 said:

I gave the episode a good in the poll. 

I give it an excellent.

IMO, the only thing they could've done better, would've been to lengthen the H/B versus S/A argument at the party, maybe showing a shouting match.

It seemed wrong that Bernadette was so controlled in her anger. Normally she'd absolutely blow her top.

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1 hour ago, Stephen Hawking said:

Howard did start it though.

I give it an excellent.

IMO, the only thing they could've done better, would've been to lengthen the H/B versus S/A argument at the party, maybe showing a shouting match.

It seemed wrong that Bernadette was so controlled in her anger. Normally she'd absolutely blow her top.

I didn't quite understand what H/B were initially upset about. I thought S/A looked very good. I enjoyed Sheldon's attempted magic trick. 

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9 hours ago, joyceraye said:

It may look that way, but it's Lenny's role to be the plodders on the surface. They're rescuers and supporters very often. I don't see what's wrong with having one of the couples playing straight man. Somebody has to and Penny's role from the beginning was to be the worldly-wise woman who landed among the nerds. Leonard was always the most sensible of the bunch. Lenny's relatively minor quirks still provide wonderful contrast to the antics and weirdnesses of the others. Even if Lenny's own scenes are short at times and their adventures tend to occur only as reports in retrospect, they're very important people. Assigning that position to stars of the show was IMHO a bold move.

That's how I see it pretty much, although, since I never liked Lenny much I may be predisposed to that line of thinking.

4 hours ago, bfm said:

I think there's an issue of balance. Sure, they both play the straight man role most of the time, and they are needed in this role, but that doesn't mean they cannot get their own plots. It also does not justify all the negative and the OOC and history alternating stuff the writers throw at them, like the boat kiss, episodes like "The Romance Reasonance" and the recent sudden flip in Penny's opinion about having kids that came out of nowhere and mostly just left many fans upset.

I can understand how some fans felt that way. But for reasons stated none of that ever  bothered me that much. I just take it in and move on.

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2 hours ago, bfm said:

A lot of water has gone under the bridge since then

But it hasn't stopped in the ensuing years.

From The Friendship Turbulence:-

Sheldon: In any event, that began a decade-long progression of insults, pranks and unwanted magazine subscriptions. To this day, I still get a monthly copy of Granny on Granny, which, other than its surprisingly fun puzzle page, is complete filth.

Also, we need to bear in mind, that Howard began this one, by taking the piss out of Sheldon, with Bernadette's help, hence Sheldon and Amy were merely retaliating.

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26 minutes ago, Stephen Hawking said:

But it hasn't stopped in the ensuing years.

From The Friendship Turbulence:-

Sheldon: In any event, that began a decade-long progression of insults, pranks and unwanted magazine subscriptions. To this day, I still get a monthly copy of Granny on Granny, which, other than its surprisingly fun puzzle page, is complete filth.

Also, we need to bear in mind, that Howard began this one, by taking the piss out of Sheldon, with Bernadette's help, hence Sheldon and Amy were merely retaliating.

Amy went too far by being Bernadette. Sheldon being Howard is OK, but not Amy's part. That could lead to losing friends and face it she doesn't have enough to afford losing them!

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16 minutes ago, chucky said:

Amy went too far by being Bernadette.

I disagree.

When Bernadette designed Howard's Sheldon costume, she joined the fray and became fair game for retaliation.

16 minutes ago, chucky said:

Sheldon being Howard is OK, but not Amy's part.

But it wouldn't have been half as funny, with just Howard.

Howard dressing as Bert wouldn't have been very funny, without Bernadette as Mary Poppins, would it?

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7 minutes ago, Stephen Hawking said:

I disagree.

When Bernadette designed Howard's Sheldon costume, she joined the fray and became fair game for retaliation.

But it wouldn't have been half as funny, with just Howard.

Howard and Bernadette are a couple, so you imitate them both.

Howard dressing as Bert  wouldn't have been very funny, without Bernadette as Mary Poppins, would it?

Well, I guess we have another topic to disagree about!

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41 minutes ago, Stephen Hawking said:

I disagree.

When Bernadette designed Howard's Sheldon costume, she joined the fray and became fair game for retaliation.

But it wouldn't have been half as funny, with just Howard.

Howard dressing as Bert wouldn't have been very funny, without Bernadette as Mary Poppins, would it?

I agree with the first part.

Bold : I didn't know it was meant to be funny.

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