episodes 1206 'The Imitation Perturbation' (October 25)

[Stephen Hawking]

16 minutes ago, joyceraye said:

Bold : I didn't know it was meant to be funny.

Then why did Howard and Bernadette make all the Mary Poppins jokes?

[bfm]

1 hour ago, Stephen Hawking said:

But it hasn't stopped in the ensuing years.

From The Friendship Turbulence:-

Sheldon: In any event, that began a decade-long progression of insults, pranks and unwanted magazine subscriptions. To this day, I still get a monthly copy of Granny on Granny, which, other than its surprisingly fun puzzle page, is complete filth.

Also, we need to bear in mind, that Howard began this one, by taking the piss out of Sheldon, with Bernadette's help, hence Sheldon and Amy were merely retaliating.

But there was also a decade-long of mean insults from Sheldon to Howard. Yes, Howard started this one, but neither of them is an innocent victim.

[Stephen Hawking]

33 minutes ago, bfm said:

But there was also a decade-long of mean insults from Sheldon to Howard.

And vice versa

The whole business was started by Howard.

[joyceraye]

2 hours ago, Stephen Hawking said:

Then why did Howard and Bernadette make all the Mary Poppins jokes?

I didn't notice any jokes. I do remember one of Howard's creepy double-entendres.

[bfm]

4 hours ago, Stephen Hawking said:

And vice versa

The whole business was started by Howard.

Again, doesn't make Sheldon innocent.

[chucky]

8 hours ago, bfm said:

Again, doesn't make Sheldon innocent.

Sheldon could have ignored Howard which would have driven Howard crazy. But no, the writers probably didn't find that funny enough!

Edited November 26, 2018 by chucky

[chucky]

13 hours ago, Stephen Hawking said:

The whole business was started by Howard.

Sheldon could have ignored Howard, but nooo, he and Amy had to escalate the matter. But then, that's par for the course for shamy. They have no knowledge of what being a good friend entails. Then again that applies to Howard, Raj and to an extent Leonard. Well it's a comedy and funny rules the day. Although I didn't find Amy, trying to be her supposed friend Bernadette, a bit funny. I know some here did and I am happy for ya'll. Please excuse my Southern terminology!

[Stephen Hawking]

Note for Bernadette - Winston Churchill wasn't the Prime Minister of England.

He was the Prime Minister of The United Kingdom.

[joyceraye]

5 hours ago, Stephen Hawking said:

Note for Bernadette - Winston Churchill wasn't the Prime Minister of England.

He was the Prime Minister of The United Kingdom.

Indeed ! I remember him. I was a child in Wales at the time and would have been very confused had anybody called him Prime Minister of England.

[chucky]

7 hours ago, joyceraye said:

Indeed ! I remember him. I was a child in Wales at the time and would have been very confused had anybody called him Prime Minister of England.

I've heard it both ways a lot over the years. Some people either don't know the difference or don't care. I believe if you're going to mention something, you should try to get it right. But then again, I've been wrong myself numerous times over the years.  

Edited November 15, 2019 by chucky

[joyceraye]

4 hours ago, chucky said:

I've heard it both ways a lot over the years. Some people either don't know the difference or don't care. I believe if you're going to mention something, you should try to get it right. But then again, I've been wrong myself numerous times over the years.  

Agreed. I find  writers getting things wrong when there's no artistic or cost implication involved in getting them right, rather distracting, It interferes with my suspension of disbelief. Getting the details of the Nobel procedure wrong have annoyed members of this forum no-end. That's not to mention the way scientific research is presented.

And then there's Sheldon  - who says he skipped Kindergarten - writing  'DARk MAttER' and 'PRotOn DEcAy', like a three-year-old, which drives me crackers. Obviously he never caught up. (Strange that, since in Young Sheldon he seems to have got letters right by the age of nine.)

Many people don't understand the niceties of the constitution of other countries or even get the name right. It's quite usual to call The Netherlands 'Holland' for instance, although Holland is the name of a region. Even Mary II in her journal used the term 'Holland' in the 1680s although if anybody should have known the right name, having lived there for twelve years as Princess of Orange taking great interest in its people, she should. Perhaps she was thinking of what her readers would call it. However, one would think highly-paid scriptwriters would expect a highly-educated character  with a PhD not to mix up the UK and England. It's like a non-American person calling Mr Trump 'The President of Texas'. 

OTOH this little issue has started me thinking about Bernadette's background. On the few occasions she's mentioned her childhood she's not said where it took place.  We know she was taking part in a beauty show in the US when she was nineteen, but not how long she'd lived there by then. If she had her early history lessons at school in central Europe, there's no reason she would have been taught, as we were, about The Pilgrim Fathers and other early settlers from the British Isles who were citizens of  what was then only unofficially called The United Kingdom, nor the American War of Independence from what was by then officially The United Kingdom. She may know next to no history of the USA at all. In which case, having been immersed in science, she may never have heard of the UK.  If so, I forgive her for thinking England has a Prime Minister. England, unlike the other three, doesn't even have its own Parliament, and hasn't had one for over four hundred years. There's no reason Bernadette should know that. She might not even know  how American Churchill was.

Edited November 15, 2019 by joyceraye

[chucky]

5 minutes ago, joyceraye said:

Agreed. I find  writers getting things wrong when there's no artistic or cost implication involved in getting them right, rather distracting, It interferes with my suspension of disbelief. Getting the details of the Nobel procedure wrong have annoyed members of this forum no-end. That's not to mention the way scientific research is presented.

And then there's Sheldon  - who says he skipped Kindergarten - writing  'DARk MAttER' and 'PRotOn DEcAy', like a three-year-old, which drives me crackers. Obviously he never caught up. (Strange that, since in Young Sheldon he seems to have got letters right by the age of nine.)

Many people don't understand the niceties of the constitution of other countries or even get the name right. It's quite usual to call The Netherlands 'Holland' for instance, although Holland is the name of a region. Even Mary II in her journal used the term 'Holland' in the 1680s although if anybody should have known the right name, having lived there for twelve years as Princess of Orange taking great interest in its people, she should. Perhaps she was thinking of what her readers would call it. However, one would think highly-paid scriptwriters would expect a highly-educated character  with a PhD not to mix up the UK and England. It's like a non-American person calling Mr Trump 'The President of Texas'. 

OTOH this little issue has started me thinking about Bernadette's background. On the few occasions she's mentioned her childhood she's not said where it took place.  We know is she was taking part in a beauty show in the US when she was nineteen, but not how long she'd lived there by then. If she had her early history lessons at school in central Europe, there's no reason she would have been taught, as we were, about The Pilgrim Fathers and other early settlers from the British Isles who were citizens of  what was then only unofficially called The United Kingdom, nor the American War of Independence from what was by then officially The United Kingdom. She may know next to no history of the USA at all. In which case, having been immersed in science, she may never have heard of the UK.  If so, I forgive her for thinking England has a Prime Minister. England, unlike the other three, doesn't even have its own Parliament, and hasn't had one for over four hundred years. There's no reason Bernadette should know that. She might not even know  how American Churchill was.

Totally agree!

[Stephen Hawking]

4 hours ago, joyceraye said:

We know she was taking part in a beauty show in the US when she was nineteen, but not how long she'd lived there by then.

She was born in Yorba Linda, California.

[chucky]

On 11/15/2019 at 3:18 PM, Stephen Hawking said:

She was born in Yorba Linda, California.

Thanks, I could not for the life of me remember where in California she was born.  

[Stephen Hawking]

On 11/15/2019 at 4:49 PM, joyceraye said:

Many people don't understand the niceties of the constitution of other countries or even get the name right. It's quite usual to call The Netherlands 'Holland' for instance, although Holland is the name of a region.

The one that really annoys me, is when people refer to Queen Elizabeth II as "Her Royal Highness".

[joyceraye]

3 hours ago, Stephen Hawking said:

The one that really annoys me, is when people refer to Queen Elizabeth II as "Her Royal Highness".

I know what you mean. When British people on TV occasionally do it I find it bewildering. When Americans do it I assume they want to be polite but some sensistivity from their own history lessons inhibits them from using 'Her Majesty' for a British monarch.  It wasn't a problem for the scriptwriter when Shamy accepted their Nobel prize because the king and queen they were addressing weren't British. That's my guess.

OTOH if Americans google HM they may well see pre-1952 references from the time when she was HRH Princess Elizabeth,during WWII for example, and have no reason not to assume the title stuck.

[Die Zimtzicke]

13 hours ago, joyceraye said:

OTOH if Americans google HM they may well see pre-1952 references from the time when she was HRH Princess Elizabeth,during WWII for example, and have no reason not to assume the title stuck.

That is a very good point!

 

On 11/15/2019 at 10:55 AM, chucky said:

She might not even know  how American Churchill was.

One of Churchill's most famous speeches, though, to Congress, is the one where he said if he'd had an American father and a British mother, instead of the other way around, he might have gotten there on his own. But even people in the United States are deplorably bad at times about their own history, never mind anyone else.  As a historian it bothers me a lot.

[chucky]

24 minutes ago, Die Zimtzicke said:

That is a very good point!

 

One of Churchill's most famous speeches, though, to Congress, is the one where he said if he'd had an American father and a British mother, instead of the other way around, he might have gotten there on his own. But even people in the United States are deplorably bad at times about their own history, never mind anyone else.  As a historian it bothers me a lot.

As a 64 year old redneck from Alabama who sometimes can't remember what I ate for breakfast, history doesn't matter to me as much as the future. You are of a different mindset. I applaud you for your convictions.

[Die Zimtzicke]

22 hours ago, chucky said:

As a 64 year old redneck from Alabama who sometimes can't remember what I ate for breakfast, history doesn't matter to me as much as the future. You are of a different mindset. I applaud you for your convictions.

I'm 64, too. I just love history. It has given me most of my friends and visiting historical sites has given me some of my most enjoyable adventures.

[chucky]

31 minutes ago, Die Zimtzicke said:

I'm 64, too. I just love history. It has given me most of my friends and visiting historical sites has given me some of my most enjoyable adventures.

I'm glad you find enjoyment in history. To me, it's just the past and now I'm looking to the future. Especially since it's close to being hurricane season. Just like tornado season is important to the midwest and Texas, Hurricane season is important to the Gulf and East Coasts.