episodes 1208 'The Consummation Deviation' (November 8)

[veejay]

40 minutes ago, bfm said:

They could have Penny remind Leonard of how he described their first time at the time, but they didn't. If they did that they could have made the point of time changing perspective and of how the first time in retrospect may not be that important. That would have been a nice message to calm Raj.

Raj's talk with Penny on the phone felt like a nice look back to, since Penny was the first woman he could talk to without any alcohol.
He obviously feels safe with her.

[3ku11]

49 minutes ago, veejay said:

Raj's talk with Penny on the phone felt like a nice look back to, since Penny was the first woman he could talk to without any alcohol.
He obviously feels safe with her.

What is this an After school special? Lenny version lol? First Penny is expected to hold Leonard’s hand. And articulate their first kiss. Now it’s their first time they had sex. What’s next their first candle lit dinner? Weird. I don’t think any of this is a big deal tbh. 

From what I recall their first time was not good at all. Awkward comes to mind. 

Leonard: How about that? I finally caught a break. 

Penny: Uh Huh.

Leonard: You know how they say when friends have sex it can get weird?

Penny: Sure.

Leonard: Why does it have to get weird? 

Penny: I don’t know. 

Leonard: I mean, we’re friends, and now we’re more than friends. We’re whatever this is. But why label it, right? I mean, it is what it is and...

Penny: Leonard?

Leonard: Yeah.

Penny: It’s weird. 

Leonard: Totally.

 

So I agree. I think Raj trusts Penny. So she was not wrong to say “It gets better over time”. Because it did. Nor do I think she needs to explain to her husband why their first time was not great. 

Edited November 10, 2018 by 3ku11

[veejay]

23 minutes ago, 3ku11 said:

What is this an After school special? Lenny version lol? First Penny is expected to hold Leonard’s hand. And articulate their first kiss. Now it’s their first time they had sex. What’s next their first candle lit dinner? Weird. I don’t think any of this is a big deal tbh.

😉

[bfm]

1 hour ago, 3ku11 said:

What is this an After school special? Lenny version lol? First Penny is expected to hold Leonard’s hand. And articulate their first kiss. Now it’s their first time they had sex. What’s next their first candle lit dinner? Weird. I don’t think any of this is a big deal tbh. 

From what I recall their first time was not good at all. Awkward comes to mind. 

Leonard: How about that? I finally caught a break. 

Penny: Uh Huh.

Leonard: You know how they say when friends have sex it can get weird?

Penny: Sure.

Leonard: Why does it have to get weird? 

Penny: I don’t know. 

Leonard: I mean, we’re friends, and now we’re more than friends. We’re whatever this is. But why label it, right? I mean, it is what it is and...

Penny: Leonard?

Leonard: Yeah.

Penny: It’s weird. 

Leonard: Totally.

 

So I agree. I think Raj trusts Penny. So she was not wrong to say “It gets better over time”. Because it did. Nor do I think she needs to explain to her husband why their first time was not great. 

It was indeed awkward. If they had her remind him that, then it wouldn't come off as another example of the man being lousy and the woman being superior to him and settling.

[Jonny]

I thought it was one of the better episodes this season, but I still think this show is struggling to fire on all cylinders in its final season.  I think creatively it's a bit lacking, less fresh and some of the dialogue is still a bit off.  I've been critical of them relying on old tropes, old ideas and going 'old school' for the past couple of the seasons and even though I thought the old throwback to Raj being mute actually really worked well in this one again we are seeing more and more throwbacks and I'm not sure that's a good thing when you look at the bigger picture.  In fact I think it's rather lazy.

I really liked that Sheldon wanted to bond or establish some kind of relationship with his in-laws, from the from the group talk in the opening scene and hearing his friends experiences of how their interactions turned out he thought about it and it was nice to see he decided to make an effort. I expected Sheldon would either bond with them by trying to get them to experience the things he likes or they find something that bugs them about anything and they kind of bond over that, some shared dislike and that's how it played out.

I wasn't truth be told enjoying Sheldon's interactions with them that much, I think again it showed a lot of immaturity at times (some of the gags were so cheap) and I wasn't a fan personally of the gag running throughout about vegetables and calling people them. 

But then when it came to the point of Sheldon defending Amy he was really mature and I was proud of him at that moment, it frustrates me so much when I see he is capable of that and especially this season they really don't show that enough.

I still think the best material the Fowlers have had to work with was the Season 11 finale, but I did like this Fowler appearance a hell of a lot more than their appearance earlier in the season. Kathy Bates I thought was really good, I also liked how you saw some of those same mannerisms and body language that you see in Amy, so you know where she got it from - a nice touch indeed!  It was fun to see Teller enjoying the magic, I bet Simon must have enjoyed performing that to someone of his status (or maybe he was nervous lol!).

I think this season is actually set up for a nice Amy/her mother story should they actually choose to explore it.  I think there could be some potential there for an emotional story that perhaps has a nice payoff for the Amy character, but will they do that?

Raj/Anu storyline, well I think I am slowly starting to warm to her a bit more as a character.  I am still fundamentally opposed to the idea of arranged marriages and whilst this is clearly a more modern take on that and they are kind of dating and exploring each other's character and who they are I still think a wedding in Feb is far too soon for them.  My hope is that they do not get married at that moment but decide to still be together and see how their relationship develops.

Edited November 10, 2018 by Jonny

[Chrismo]

Thinking about it now the scenes with Sheldon and Mrs Fowler reminded me of a reverse Mrs Robinson from The Graduate.

[The Lash]

Not great. Against the consensus, but I just don't see Raj with Anu. Especially not after some of the women he's dated like Emily.

Penny and Leonard (Lenny) seem to have no real role in the plots anymore.

 

AND WHERE IS DENISE?

 

 

[chucky]

9 hours ago, The Lash said:

Not great. Against the consensus, but I just don't see Raj with Anu. Especially not after some of the women he's dated like Emily.

Penny and Leonard (Lenny) seem to have no real role in the plots anymore.

 

AND WHERE IS DENISE?

 

 

They (Lenny) have been regulated as Shamy supporters.

Edited November 11, 2018 by chucky

[joyceraye]

6 hours ago, chucky said:

They have been regulated as Shamy supporters.

Do you mean relegated ? I don't know what regulated as supporters means.

[chucky]

15 minutes ago, joyceraye said:

Do you mean relegated ? I don't know what regulated as supporters means.

Who knows? A word is a word to me. As long as it sounds right is all that matters to me.    😊

[Capt. Hilts]

22 hours ago, Jonny said:

I thought it was one of the better episodes this season, but I still think this show is struggling to fire on all cylinders in its final season.  I think creatively it's a bit lacking, less fresh and some of the dialogue is still a bit off.  I've been critical of them relying on old tropes, old ideas and going 'old school' for the past couple of the seasons and even though I thought the old throwback to Raj being mute actually really worked well in this one again we are seeing more and more throwbacks and I'm not sure that's a good thing when you look at the bigger picture.  In fact I think it's rather lazy.

I really liked that Sheldon wanted to bond or establish some kind of relationship with his in-laws, from the from the group talk in the opening scene and hearing his friends experiences of how their interactions turned out he thought about it and it was nice to see he decided to make an effort. I expected Sheldon would either bond with them by trying to get them to experience the things he likes or they find something that bugs them about anything and they kind of bond over that, some shared dislike and that's how it played out.

I wasn't truth be told enjoying Sheldon's interactions with them that much, I think again it showed a lot of immaturity at times (some of the gags were so cheap) and I wasn't a fan personally of the gag running throughout about vegetables and calling people them. 

But then when it came to the point of Sheldon defending Amy he was really mature and I was proud of him at that moment, it frustrates me so much when I see he is capable of that and especially this season they really don't show that enough.

I still think the best material the Fowlers have had to work with was the Season 11 finale, but I did like this Fowler appearance a hell of a lot more than their appearance earlier in the season. Kathy Bates I thought was really good, I also liked how you saw some of those same mannerisms and body language that you see in Amy, so you know where she got it from - a nice touch indeed!  It was fun to see Teller enjoying the magic, I bet Simon must have enjoyed performing that to someone of his status (or maybe he was nervous lol!).

I think this season is actually set up for a nice Amy/her mother story should they actually choose to explore it.  I think there could be some potential there for an emotional story that perhaps has a nice payoff for the Amy character, but will they do that?

Raj/Anu storyline, well I think I am slowly starting to warm to her a bit more as a character.  I am still fundamentally opposed to the idea of arranged marriages and whilst this is clearly a more modern take on that and they are kind of dating and exploring each other's character and who they are I still think a wedding in Feb is far too soon for them.  My hope is that they do not get married at that moment but decide to still be together and see how their relationship develops.

An important source of humor for the show was always their dealing with the 'outside' world of non-physicists, women, university administrators, public officials, etc.  Gradually bringing in new characters keeps this theme fresher than it might otherwise have been.  Raj's various girlfriends, various relatives and visiting scientists.  So, I like the shot in the arm of Amy's parents.

[Die Zimtzicke]

On 11/10/2018 at 3:15 AM, bfm said:

What was weird to me in that scene is that Penny expected Leonard to make plans for Valentine's day three months in advance! These are high expectations there, lady!

Not at all. Some places book up six months or more in advance.

On 11/10/2018 at 8:28 AM, Jonny said:

I am still fundamentally opposed to the idea of arranged marriages and whilst this is clearly a more modern take on that and they are kind of dating and exploring each other's character and who they are I still think a wedding in Feb is far too soon for them.

Raj's dad fixed them up. What's different, when you get down to it, from anyone else fixing them up? I know many people who have been fixed up by someone and married that quickly.

11 hours ago, The Lash said:

Especially not after some of the women he's dated like Emily.

I couldn't stand either Emily, although I like the actresses well enough.

[bfm]

9 minutes ago, Die Zimtzicke said:

Not at all. Some places book up six months or more in advance.

So a woman whose part of a couple that did not even remember their anniversary expects her husband to book a place for Valentine's day? I think that's too much to expect.

[Die Zimtzicke]

1 minute ago, bfm said:

So a woman whose part of a couple that did not even remember their anniversary expects her husband to book a place for Valentine's day? I think that's too much to expect.

There's something about Valentine's day that puts the pressure on in a lot of cases. I don't know why.,

[veejay]

56 minutes ago, Die Zimtzicke said:

There's something about Valentine's day that puts the pressure on in a lot of cases. I don't know why.,

Yeah. Neither do I. 

[Die Zimtzicke]

I thought the ep had a lot of funny lines in it. I am with everyone who wonders if Simon was nervous doing magic around Teller. I kind of think not. I think Teller seems like a pretty easy going guy.

Anu and Raj spending that much time talking about their lives and their quirks and their problems was sweet to me. I'm dying to see if everyone actually goes to India. I wish they would but I'm not sure how it would be done. Perhaps Raj goes to India and they stay there awhile, and that's the end of him and the writers then focus on the others? I'm just so confused by that scenario.

[chucky]

6 hours ago, Die Zimtzicke said:

I am with everyone who wonders if Simon was nervous doing magic around Teller. I kind of think not. I think Teller seems like a pretty easy going guy.

With Teller no, put definitely with Penn!

[vonmar]

7 minutes ago, chucky said:

With Teller no, put definitely with Penn!

I think after imitating Stephen Hawking in front of Stephen Hawking, this was a piece of cake.

[Die Zimtzicke]

1 minute ago, vonmar said:

I think after imitating Stephen Hawking in front of Stephen Hawking, this was a piece of cake.

Stephen Hawking was known to have a sense of humor, though. Teller is more of an unknown, what with the not talking in the act thing.

[vonmar]

6 minutes ago, Die Zimtzicke said:

Stephen Hawking was known to have a sense of humor, though. Teller is more of an unknown, what with the not talking in the act thing.

Teller not speaking in the magic act is part of the comedy in their act.

Their magic is full of comedy.

[chucky]

21 minutes ago, vonmar said:

I think after imitating Stephen Hawking in front of Stephen Hawking, this was a piece of cake.

Teller and Hawking yeah, Penn is one intimidating Son of a Gun.

[joyceraye]

12 hours ago, Die Zimtzicke said:

 

Anu and Raj spending that much time talking about their lives and their quirks and their problems was sweet to me. I'm dying to see if everyone actually goes to India. I wish they would but I'm not sure how it would be done. Perhaps Raj goes to India and they stay there awhile, and that's the end of him and the writers then focus on the others? I'm just so confused by that scenario.

Isn't it normal everywhere to get married where there's most family,especially the bride's, unless her church is elsewhere ? I wonder if we'll really see India, or whether the plane with the gang on gets held up and we only ever see the couple again by Skype ?

[joyceraye]

15 hours ago, Die Zimtzicke said:

There's something about Valentine's day that puts the pressure on in a lot of cases. I don't know why.,

Depends which country one lives in, perhaps ? I had no idea any country made such a song and dance about it until I got cable TV and the numerous American TV shows that came with it. 

[veejay]

1 hour ago, joyceraye said:

Depends which country one lives in, perhaps ? I had no idea any country made such a song and dance about it until I got cable TV and the numerous American TV shows that came with it. 

Like so many of these so-called special days, Valentin's day is only a successful invention of the American advertising industry.

[chucky]

9 minutes ago, veejay said:

Like so many of these so-called special days, Valentin's day is only a successful invention of the American advertising industry.

So very true!! The advertisement industry started it and and the people took the ball and ran with it!