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3 hours ago, Mario D. said:

And additionally, Kaley always said in interviews that her dream from the pilot episode was that Penny and Leonard would eventually marry.

I'm glad she got that dream.They say when asked that they have little or no influence over what happens to their characters. I'd like to think the writers and directors let them have some input now and again. I feel so sorry for the actors when they have to talk rubbish. It's hard to believe they forget absolutely everything they've ever said or seen. I can't believe in all those episodes Kaley didn't notice there were plants on the 4B set, for instance. Would she have held back from saying 'oh yes she does' for fear of being sent into a UFO or falling under a piano ?

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57 minutes ago, joyceraye said:

I can't believe in all those episodes Kaley didn't notice there were plants on the 4B set, for instance. Would she have held back from saying 'oh yes she does' for fear of being sent into a UFO or falling under a piano ?

Got lost around here.

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14 hours ago, Jonny said:

I vaguely remember something about that, but I do know personally I was considering ditching it on my Netflix binge around Season 3 when it felt very stale and the characters weren't really growing that much.  The introduction of Bernadette and especially Amy really gave the show the shot in the arm it needed IMO.

Howard and Sheldon got a significant other in their lives and Penny got a huge boost to her character having 'girl friends' that allowed more types of story to be told and fresh new comedy opportunities.

Boo-YEAH!

10 hours ago, Die Zimtzicke said:

That is EXACTLY what got me hooked watching when the show started. Sheldon was the only one who was different from anything I had seen in a sitcom before.

That's why 'Sheldon' made the Top 10 best list of Digital Spy's TV characters since 2000.

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3 hours ago, djsurrey said:
  4 hours ago, joyceraye said:

I can't believe in all those episodes Kaley didn't notice there were plants on the 4B set, for instance. Would she have held back from saying 'oh yes she does' for fear of being sent into a UFO or falling under a piano ?

 

3 hours ago, djsurrey said:

Got lost around here.

I was responding to two posts that pointed out two things that TBBT actors wanted and had got, namely Penny and Leonard finally getting together. I was remembering how the cast often said in interviews that they had no say. I felt sorry for them when the script called for them to talk nonsense, such as the time Penny told Mr Fowler that Amy had no plants ( although Kaley must have seen the many times ) so he couldn't have been watering them. It's often pointed out that the cast don't retain the lines learned from earlier episodes. I think they must retain something in order  to be in character.I suggested the cast may too afraid for their jobs to contradict the scriptwriter. Mayim Bialik once said, 'Nobdy dares argue with Chuck Lorre' or words to that effect.

In Dynasty or something like that, a major character was abducted into space to annoy tptb, and (in a sitcom I never saw ) an actor who disagreed with Chuck Lorre was written out by getting crushed by a piano. I hope that helps you to find your way.

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4 hours ago, joyceraye said:

and (in a sitcom I never saw ) an actor who disagreed with Chuck Lorre was written out by getting crushed by a piano. I hope that helps you to find your way.

I think you are talking about Charlie Sheen and ‘Two and a Half Men’. There is a big gap between pointing out an error and going so disparaging like Sheen.

4 hours ago, joyceraye said:

In Dynasty or something like that, a major character was abducted into space to annoy tptb

Don't actually know what this one is.

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7 hours ago, joyceraye said:

 

I was responding to two posts that pointed out two things that TBBT actors wanted and had got, namely Penny and Leonard finally getting together. I was remembering how the cast often said in interviews that they had no say. I felt sorry for them when the script called for them to talk nonsense, such as the time Penny told Mr Fowler that Amy had no plants ( although Kaley must have seen the many times ) so he couldn't have been watering them. It's often pointed out that the cast don't retain the lines learned from earlier episodes. I think they must retain something in order  to be in character.I suggested the cast may too afraid for their jobs to contradict the scriptwriter. Mayim Bialik once said, 'Nobdy dares argue with Chuck Lorre' or words to that effect.

In Dynasty or something like that, a major character was abducted into space to annoy tptb, and (in a sitcom I never saw ) an actor who disagreed with Chuck Lorre was written out by getting crushed by a piano. I hope that helps you to find your way.

I remember Mayim wrote that Amy and Sheldon going on a wedding gift "scavenger hunt" was OOC, but she didn't seem to mind, or she didn't want to write it if it did bother her.

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11 hours ago, joyceraye said:

I was responding to two posts that pointed out two things that TBBT actors wanted and had got, namely Penny and Leonard finally getting together. I was remembering how the cast often said in interviews that they had no say.

If they said what they wanted that wouldn't mean they'd get it. They'd get it if the writers had been planning to write it or decided upon reflection to write it. No matter what ANY actor or actress says they don't write the show or have any control over the show. As for what Johnny said, I have only been able to find this quote from Cinemablend from season nine, where he says, "It was a very selfish request on my part. I hadn’t been able to traverse those stories of the heart. I’ve often been cast as the best friend or the gay assistant of whatever character got to explore those relationships. I said I’d rather play this guy, who seems to have a future of romantic triumphs and difficulties." Seems to have a romantic future is not the same as knowing he was going to marry Penny, so if anyone specifically has that one can you give me a link because I would love to see it again. If I ever saw it originally I don't remember.
https://www.cinemablend.com/television/How-Johnny-Galecki-Almost-Ended-Up-Playing-Sheldon-Big-Bang-Theory-97367.html

 

6 hours ago, djsurrey said:

I think you are talking about Charlie Sheen and ‘Two and a Half Men’. There is a big gap between pointing out an error and going so disparaging like Sheen.

Charlie Sheen was not crushed by a piano. He was pushed in front of a train.

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9 hours ago, djsurrey said:

There is a big gap between pointing out an error and going so disparaging like Sheen.

I wonder whether members of the TBBT cast ever do point out errors and what happens when or if they do ? Do they ever speak up or do they keep their mouths shut regardless ?  I'd like to be a fly on the wall at some table reads. If they're too afraid to say anything in case they get something terrible written for them or even get written out, or if they obey a convention of  job demarcations , I feel sorry for them if they care about their characters. It's hard to believe anybody spends over five years of  his or her life (A little less than half a year every year for twelve years ) pretending to be another person without something of that other person rubbing off. 

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12 hours ago, joyceraye said:

I wonder whether members of the TBBT cast ever do point out errors and what happens when or if they do ? Do they ever speak up or do they keep their mouths shut regardless ?  I'd like to be a fly on the wall at some table reads. If they're too afraid to say anything in case they get something terrible written for them or even get written out, or if they obey a convention of  job demarcations , I feel sorry for them if they care about their characters. It's hard to believe anybody spends over five years of  his or her life (A little less than half a year every year for twelve years ) pretending to be another person without something of that other person rubbing off. 

I don't know/ if they are to be believed they stay in their own lane.

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23 minutes ago, djsurrey said:

I don't know/ if they are to be beloved they stay in their own lane.

As the saying goes, Don't rock the boat!

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On 12/9/2018 at 9:04 AM, chucky said:

I guess you like obnoxious, insensitive jerks. Just funning! 😊

I think the reason that the writers make Leonard and Penny so nasty to each other sometimes and Bernadette is cruel sometimes is that they have been writing this uncaring character for so long that it rubs off on the other characters too.

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2 minutes ago, SRAM said:

I think the reason that the writers make Leonard and Penny so nasty to each other sometimes and Bernadette is cruel sometimes is that they have been writing this uncaring character for so long that it rubs off on the other characters too.

Quite possible

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On 12/10/2018 at 6:54 AM, Die Zimtzicke said:

If they said what they wanted that wouldn't mean they'd get it. They'd get it if the writers had been planning to write it or decided upon reflection to write it. No matter what ANY actor or actress says they don't write the show or have any control over the show. As for what Johnny said, I have only been able to find this quote from Cinemablend from season nine, where he says, "It was a very selfish request on my part. I hadn’t been able to traverse those stories of the heart. I’ve often been cast as the best friend or the gay assistant of whatever character got to explore those relationships. I said I’d rather play this guy, who seems to have a future of romantic triumphs and difficulties." Seems to have a romantic future is not the same as knowing he was going to marry Penny, so if anyone specifically has that one can you give me a link because I would love to see it again. If I ever saw it originally I don't remember.
https://www.cinemablend.com/television/How-Johnny-Galecki-Almost-Ended-Up-Playing-Sheldon-Big-Bang-Theory-97367.html

 

Charlie Sheen was not crushed by a piano. He was pushed in front of a train.

Actually the pushing in front of a train was faked by Rose. She really had Charlie trapped in her basement, he escaped and as he was approaching his front door a piano fell on him.

 

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16 minutes ago, Cereal Apist said:

Actually the pushing in front of a train was faked by Rose. She really had Charlie trapped in her basement, he escaped and as he was approaching his front door a piano fell on him.

WOW! Is that stupid! But the whole last season was. Thanks for posting that.

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I thought I'd got my expectations so low I couldn't be disappointed, but they did it again. How can anyone who ever loved classic TBBT endure the sight of that much Amy in one ep? One scene can stand for the whole: we had a delightful brief moment between Penny and Leonard (who can now cook a Texas delicacy, apparently) and just when it's getting sexy Amy barges in and puts an end to it for the entire ep. And we had the horror of the resurrection of Shamy's ridiculous "theory". When Amy started spouting that nonsense about their theory being valid "at a deeper level", old Sheldon would have dismissed it with a remark that he should never have listened to a  biologist (or whatever he calls those in the life sciences). The S who's excited again has as much relation to that Sheldon as a pod person to their model.

Was their a single viewer who didn't know the shower curtains would catch fire and the watch would be smashed? I repeat my plaintive question: are these still the same writers who created the show I used to love, or have they all been replaced (perhaps by pod people)?

 

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On 12/10/2018 at 11:27 AM, joyceraye said:

I wonder whether members of the TBBT cast ever do point out errors and what happens when or if they do ? Do they ever speak up or do they keep their mouths shut regardless ?  I'd like to be a fly on the wall at some table reads. If they're too afraid to say anything in case they get something terrible written for them or even get written out, or if they obey a convention of  job demarcations , I feel sorry for them if they care about their characters. It's hard to believe anybody spends over five years of  his or her life (A little less than half a year every year for twelve years ) pretending to be another person without something of that other person rubbing off. 

I would like to think that the cast after 11 plus years has some say in how their characters are portrayed. I don't say they have a whole lot of influence but some suggestions would have merit.  I can think of two instances where their suggestions turned into reality:  Johnny asking Judd Hirsch to play his father and the tptb going along with it, Kaley cutting her hair and the writers embracing it and used it as a catalyst for her pharmaceutical sales job.

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1 hour ago, Mario D. said:

I would like to think that the cast after 11 plus years has some say in how their characters are portrayed. I don't say they have a whole lot of influence but some suggestions would have merit.  I can think of two instances where their suggestions turned into reality:  Johnny asking Judd Hirsch to play his father and the tptb going along with it, Kaley cutting her hair and the writers embracing it and used it as a catalyst for her pharmaceutical sales job.

I agree. I also like your two instances where the suggestions were accepted by TPTB. There were probably others as well!

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7 hours ago, Mario D. said:

I would like to think that the cast after 11 plus years has some say in how their characters are portrayed. I don't say they have a whole lot of influence but some suggestions would have merit.  I can think of two instances where their suggestions turned into reality:  Johnny asking Judd Hirsch to play his father and the tptb going along with it, Kaley cutting her hair and the writers embracing it and used it as a catalyst for her pharmaceutical sales job.

I think I read somewhere that Kaley thought they would give her extensions but they decided to write it in.

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9 hours ago, JohnPhD said:

And we had the horror of the resurrection of Shamy's ridiculous "theory". When Amy started spouting that nonsense about their theory being valid "at a deeper level", old Sheldon would have dismissed it with a remark that he should never have listened to a  biologist (or whatever he calls those in the life sciences).

But now she's HIS biologist.

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23 hours ago, bfm said:

I think I read somewhere that Kaley thought they would give her extensions but they decided to write it in.

It really suited her, she looked very smart compared with how she looks now with that straggly hair when it's loose.

On 12/21/2018 at 1:07 PM, JohnPhD said:

I thought I'd got my expectations so low I couldn't be disappointed, but they did it again. How can anyone who ever loved classic TBBT endure the sight of that much Amy in one ep? One scene can stand for the whole: we had a delightful brief moment between Penny and Leonard (who can now cook a Texas delicacy, apparently) and just when it's getting sexy Amy barges in and puts an end to it for the entire ep. And we had the horror of the resurrection of Shamy's ridiculous "theory". When Amy started spouting that nonsense about their theory being valid "at a deeper level", old Sheldon would have dismissed it with a remark that he should never have listened to a  biologist (or whatever he calls those in the life sciences). The S who's excited again has as much relation to that Sheldon as a pod person to their model.

Was their a single viewer who didn't know the shower curtains would catch fire and the watch would be smashed? I repeat my plaintive question: are these still the same writers who created the show I used to love, or have they all been replaced (perhaps by pod people)?

 

I'm hoping a future episode will open with 'Previously on The Big Bang Theory' and show Howdini producing a whole watch from the man's pocket and getting admitted into the Magic Castle. 

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13 hours ago, joyceraye said:

It really suited her, she looked very smart compared with how she looks now with that straggly hair when it's loose.

I didn't mind it short and I don't mind it long but when they tie it up into a ball on the top of her head and emphasize all the black roots it drives me nuts.

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42 minutes ago, Stephen Hawking said:

Surely the greatest magic society is the Magic Circle?

got me!

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8 minutes ago, Stephen Hawking said:

Not sure what you mean by that.

Down south here, it means, I haven't got the foggest idea!

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