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1215 'The Donation Oscillation' (February 7)

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1 hour ago, April said:

The problem I have with Penny changing her mind is that the longer it takes the harder it is to sell to the audience.

I mean, they could have easily used the sperm donor plot to do exactly that. They could have her react to the situation with the realisation that maybe she wants kids after all. But they didn't. Instead they reinforced her stance and even let her dad and Leonard support her.

At this point it would just be a hard U-turn* and I'm not sure if I want that with so little time left, tbqh.

(*btw. contrast to Bernadette who had her reservations, too: the first time the topic came up with Howard her stance was already softened a lot cause it was a deal breaker for Howard, so at this point Penny is already putting her foot down harder than Bernadette did.)

Bernie was clear in her reasoning. She didn't want to be restricted by children. Also she was at a time in her life when she'd only just achieved her career ambition. They agreed on a non-down-dragging scenario for her while they were still engaged. Things had changed a lot by the time the first baby was on the way but they worked it out. It was the second baby that was a mistake. Penny's issue has come from who knows where and goodness knows what it is. Goodness knows where they're going with it.

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1 hour ago, April said:

The problem I have with Penny changing her mind is that the longer it takes the harder it is to sell to the audience.

I mean, they could have easily used the sperm donor plot to do exactly that. They could have her react to the situation with the realisation that maybe she wants kids after all. But they didn't. Instead they reinforced her stance and even let her dad and Leonard support her.

At this point it would just be a hard U-turn* and I'm not sure if I want that with so little time left, tbqh.

(*btw. contrast to Bernadette who had her reservations, too: the first time the topic came up with Howard her stance was already softened a lot cause it was a deal breaker for Howard, so at this point Penny is already putting her foot down harder than Bernadette did.)

I share similar thoughts and concerns.

Like you said I think they have had ample opportunity for her to change her mind and whilst I think the whole donation plot was pretty absurd and bizarre it could have been 'the moment' to change her mind.

I do think Penny will ultimately change her mind and my money is on it being badly handled in terms of the story, though that will probably only bug us who have followed the show closely for years and obsess over storylines lol.

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I dont know if lenny will get the happy ending they/ their fans deserve, let alone see a Penny pregnancy on the show, but what I feel is, they will definitely draw the short straw at the end compare to the other couples.

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I think 12x23 will leave us hanging, but....

I think we are going to get a time jump in 12x24 where this will all will be resolved.  

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Maybe Pennys offer of another job will prove to her that she is successful and will want to work on her personal life

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9 hours ago, Jonny said:

 

I share similar thoughts and concerns.

Like you said I think they have had ample opportunity for her to change her mind and whilst I think the whole donation plot was pretty absurd and bizarre it could have been 'the moment' to change her mind.

I do think Penny will ultimately change her mind and my money is on it being badly handled in terms of the story, though that will probably only bug us who have followed the show closely for years and obsess over storylines lol.

I guess the writers just decided to hold off until the very end to get on the fans’ nerves. Since they can’t play will they/won’t they card with any of the main couples anymore (we have Raj and Anu, but at this point I don’t think anyone really cares about them), they turned ‘will they/won’t they ever be together’ into ‘will they/won’t they ever have kids’. Personally it makes me really sad, especially if the answer will be ‘they won’t’.

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I'm fairly ambivalent on kids or no kids for them, I guess I ultimately care about the question 'Are they happy and on the same page about kids?' and that question needs to be answered whether they decide to have kids or not.  I don't think this storyline has provided that answer, I still got the view that Penny doesn't want children (and I respect this a ton, because not everyone wants to have children which is perfectly reasonable and should be absolutely respected), in fact it was even more reinforced to me that she doesn't and Leonard clearly does but he will give it up to stay with her.

I know people in real life whose relationships have ended over the decision to have or not to kids, it's a huge issue and if they are not on the same page or share similar feelings then they should consider the future of their relationship going forward. And even if there is a change, or some shift on the subject, having children for the wrong reasons is really not the way to go and that can end a relationship just as easily.

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1 hour ago, Jonny said:

I know people in real life whose relationships have ended over the decision to have or not to kids, it's a huge issue and if they are not on the same page or share similar feelings then they should consider the future of their relationship going forward. And even if there is a change, or some shift on the subject, having children for the wrong reasons is really not the way to go and that can end a relationship just as easily.

More than once I have seen a relationship suffer when the wife bonded so intensely with the child she hadn't wanted until it arrived that the husband who did want kids got totally pushed aside. I'd be very sad to see Leonard in that position. It's ironic but how a woman is as a mother doesn't necessarily follow on from how she felt about the pregnancy.

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On 2/15/2019 at 5:13 AM, Jonny said:

I'm fairly ambivalent on kids or no kids for them, I guess I ultimately care about the question 'Are they happy and on the same page about kids?' and that question needs to be answered whether they decide to have kids or not.  I don't think this storyline has provided that answer, I still got the view that Penny doesn't want children (and I respect this a ton, because not everyone wants to have children which is perfectly reasonable and should be absolutely respected), in fact it was even more reinforced to me that she doesn't and Leonard clearly does but he will give it up to stay with her.

I know people in real life whose relationships have ended over the decision to have or not to kids, it's a huge issue and if they are not on the same page or share similar feelings then they should consider the future of their relationship going forward. And even if there is a change, or some shift on the subject, having children for the wrong reasons is really not the way to go and that can end a relationship just as easily.

you know I am thinking out loud here but there could be another way of looking at this.  If Leonard is so sure he wants to have kids and Penny is just as adamant to not wanting them could this be a potential situation for separation/divorce?  If Leonard puts that question to Penny does she give in and capitulates to his desire. I am not saying I want to see this but it might bring everything to a head and they can openly talk about their situation. I just think that Penny's love for Leonard has grown over the years and she wouldn't want to risk breaking up with him. On the other hand I sincerely feel Leonard would not offer Penny this resolution but it is something to think about.

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This is jmo and I'm not trying to change anyone else's but since my wife passed away my daughter and grand daughter have given me another purpose in life I have something to look forward to every day other wise I might be sitting down in Mexico drinking margaritas and eating fish tacos wasting my life away

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4 minutes ago, legacy99 said:

This is jmo and I'm not trying to change anyone else's but since my wife passed away my daughter and grand daughter have given me another purpose in life I have something to look forward to every day other wise I might be sitting down in Mexico drinking margaritas and eating fish tacos wasting my life away

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I hear you and I am sorry for your loss.  I have two grand daughters, the youngest one only born one month ago, and they are the reason I hope to live another 20 years

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3 hours ago, legacy99 said:

other wise I might be sitting down in Mexico drinking margaritas and eating fish tacos wasting my life away

I'm terribly sorry for your loss but sitting in Mexico drinking margaritas and eating fish tacos sounds good to me.

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On 2/19/2019 at 5:34 PM, Die Zimtzicke said:

I'm terribly sorry for your loss but sitting in Mexico drinking margaritas and eating fish tacos sounds good to me.

Margaritas, not for men. Tequila shots are more my style!

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On 2/8/2019 at 11:44 AM, bfm said:

Am I the only one who did not understand what was funny about the Sheldon making breakfast sequence? What was the audience laughing at? I really have no clue.

I thought he looked as tho he had his eyes shut, so I thought maybe he was supposed to be going thru his breakfast sequence without the aid of sight for some Sheldonian reason, and the audience were getting that. But of course they could see Leonard on the couch.

Odd detail: there appear to be as many wine bottles on top of the fridge in 4B as when Penny lived there.

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Good to see Sexy Penny back. The seduction scene could have gone on a bit longer. And with her clothes on Penny was at her most beautiful in this ep - there's quite a bit of variation in her wattage from one ep to another. She lit up the screen so much that while watching I could overlook the preposterousness of the sperm donation storyline.

I wonder if the writers are deliberately making Leonard a jerk, or are they just not bothered? Penny's behaviour made it clear she didn't want him to donate, but if she didn't actually ask him not to, which she wouldn't because she felt guilty towards him for refusing kids, he was going to go ahead. He knows that will hurt Penny, but seems to think it serves her right for not giving him kids. That sort of tit-for-tat attitude is a pretty good way to destroy a relationship. Leonard has a lot of growing to do.

L also messed up in another detail. A disadvantage of life in the Hofstadter home is that Amy and Sheldon keep barging in at any time without asking. Since L & P seem not have mastered locking the door, L needs to tell them not to do it. But now he has entered their home at night to sleep there without even telling them he is no position to object to their behaviour.

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3 hours ago, JohnPhD said:

Good to see Sexy Penny back. The seduction scene could have gone on a bit longer. And with her clothes on Penny was at her most beautiful in this ep - there's quite a bit of variation in her wattage from one ep to another. She lit up the screen so much that while watching I could overlook the preposterousness of the sperm donation storyline.

I wonder if the writers are deliberately making Leonard a jerk, or are they just not bothered? Penny's behaviour made it clear she didn't want him to donate, but if she didn't actually ask him not to, which she wouldn't because she felt guilty towards him for refusing kids, he was going to go ahead. He knows that will hurt Penny, but seems to think it serves her right for not giving him kids. That sort of tit-for-tat attitude is a pretty good way to destroy a relationship. Leonard has a lot of growing to do.

L also messed up in another detail. A disadvantage of life in the Hofstadter home is that Amy and Sheldon keep barging in at any time without asking. Since L & P seem not have mastered locking the door, L needs to tell them not to do it. But now he has entered their home at night to sleep there without even telling them he is no position to object to their behaviour.

I did not see Leonard's behavior this way. There was no tit-for-tat. She told him to do what he wants, then she started with the seduction without telling him what she feels and wants. When he went to Shamy's he was pondering in her actions, and, IMO rightfully, thought she should tell him if she doesn't want him to do that. He then made the decision not to donate due ro his own considerations but there's nothing to say he wouldn't have asked Penny again about her feelings if he were to donate. Anyway, the whole thing was IMO just a giant preposterous, even disrespectful mess.

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9 hours ago, JohnPhD said:

L also messed up in another detail. A disadvantage of life in the Hofstadter home is that Amy and Sheldon keep barging in at any time without asking. Since L & P seem not have mastered locking the door, L needs to tell them not to do it. But now he has entered their home at night to sleep there without even telling them he is no position to object to their behaviour.

They will keep popping in and out of each other's places until the bitter end because no one has ever complained about it since Sheldon cleaned Penny's apartment.

 

5 hours ago, bfm said:

I did not see Leonard's behavior this way. There was no tit-for-tat. She told him to do what he wants, then she started with the seduction without telling him what she feels and wants. When he went to Shamy's he was pondering in her actions, and, IMO rightfully, thought she should tell him if she doesn't want him to do that. He then made the decision not to donate due ro his own considerations but there's nothing to say he wouldn't have asked Penny again about her feelings if he were to donate. Anyway, the whole thing was IMO just a giant preposterous, even disrespectful mess.

Yes, it was a mess. I still don't get the point of it.

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On 3/24/2019 at 5:27 PM, Die Zimtzicke said:

They will keep popping in and out of each other's places until the bitter end because no one has ever complained about it since Sheldon cleaned Penny's apartment.

 

Yes, it was a mess. I still don't get the point of it.

There was no point. Just our friendly writers writing crap to instigate trouble between Lenny.

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13 hours ago, chucky said:

There was no point. Just our friendly writers writing crap to instigate trouble between Lenny.

Yes, that is what the showrunners do all the time which is why I feel the way they do about how Lenny will wind up. Maybe I'll be wrong, but if they turn it around at the last minute, it will mean they've wasted and awful lot of time.

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13 minutes ago, Die Zimtzicke said:

they've wasted and awful lot of time.

That's my opinion! They have wasted the better part of 6 years.

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