episodes 1218 'The Laureate Accumulation' (April 4)

[chucky]

3 hours ago, Sah said:

Nope. Leonard is better then that...

True. But, there is only one perfect person and that's not Leonard. Everyone lashes out sometime. When you're dealing with people like Sheldon, you eventuality erupt. 

Edited April 6, 2019 by chucky

[Chrismo]

51 minutes ago, Sah said:

Nope. Leonard is better then that...

So that suggests he is a better friend and a better person

[serena_1995]

10 hours ago, bfm said:

IMO the way they wrote those other physicists, as kind of dull opportunist villains, fits with the overall childishness of the story. Oohh look at those villains! They so not deserve this! They are the bad guys! Hate them audience, and root for Shamy! Again, it all feels like a Nickelodeon/Disney show.

But isn't it too disney and fairytale-y for Lenny to have  kids to fullfil Leonard's one-sided fantasy from the pilot ? penny wasn't even aware he made that comment. I keep seeing people still wish Lenny have the perfect ending with kids. If something good happens to shamy, I keep hearing that it is too "disney" but if something good happens for Lenny , it is just a "feel good" sitcom that shouldn't deal with issues like wanting to be child-free ? I'm finding the super-assymmetry plot to be as dull and poorly written as the next person, but i'm  kinda tired of this double standard. 

[chucky]

18 minutes ago, serena_1995 said:

But isn't it too disney and fairytale-y for Lenny to have  kids to fullfil Leonard's one-sided fantasy from the pilot ?

NOPE!!!!!!

[Swedish Chef]

21 minutes ago, serena_1995 said:

But isn't it too disney and fairytale-y for Lenny to have  kids to fullfil Leonard's one-sided fantasy from the pilot ? penny wasn't even aware he made that comment. I keep seeing people still wish Lenny have the perfect ending with kids. If something good happens to shamy, I keep hearing that it is too "disney" but if something good happens for Lenny , it is just a "feel good" sitcom that shouldn't deal with issues like wanting to be child-free ? I'm finding the super-assymmetry plot to be as dull and poorly written as the next person, but i'm  kinda tired of this double standard. 

So Lenny should just be standing by the kitchen island the whole final episode and be thankful that they have each other.

[legacy99]

But isn't it too disney and fairytale-y for Lenny to have  kids to fullfil Leonard's one-sided fantasy from the pilot ? penny wasn't even aware he made that comment. I keep seeing people still wish Lenny have the perfect ending with kids. If something good happens to shamy, I keep hearing that it is too "disney" but if something good happens for Lenny , it is just a "feel good" sitcom that shouldn't deal with issues like wanting to be child-free ? I'm finding the super-assymmetry plot to be as dull and poorly written as the next person, but i'm  kinda tired of this double standard. 

It's just a tv comedy and I think the audience should get what they want

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[smartandbeautiful]

Just now, serena_1995 said:

But isn't it too disney and fairytale-y for Lenny to have  kids to fullfil Leonard's one-sided fantasy from the pilot ? penny wasn't even aware he made that comment. I keep seeing people still wish Lenny have the perfect ending with kids. If something good happens to shamy, I keep hearing that it is too "disney" but if something good happens for Lenny , it is just a "feel good" sitcom that shouldn't deal with issues like wanting to be child-free ? I'm finding the super-assymmetry plot to be as dull and poorly written as the next person, but i'm  kinda tired of this double standard. 

It’s not a double standard. Comparing to Shamy and Howardette, who both have their dream careers and kids, Lenny has nothing (Leonard is not that happy with his job, as we will see in 12x20, and while Penny is making some progress, it still not her dream job).

And Penny suddenly being ‘childfree’ in 12x03 was so poorly written that not everyone could buy it. They missed that opportunity with Bernadette and with Penny it just felt completely out of character. 

[shell]

26 minutes ago, smartandbeautiful said:

It’s not a double standard. Comparing to Shamy and Howardette, who both have their dream careers and kids, Lenny has nothing (Leonard is not that happy with his job, as we will see in 12x20, and while Penny is making some progress, it still not her dream job).

And Penny suddenly being ‘childfree’ in 12x03 was so poorly written that not everyone could buy it. They missed that opportunity with Bernadette and with Penny it just felt completely out of character. 

Thought they were so 'happy in love' That's not enough?

[veejay]

1 hour ago, serena_1995 said:

But isn't it too disney and fairytale-y for Lenny to have  kids to fullfil Leonard's one-sided fantasy from the pilot ? penny wasn't even aware he made that comment. I keep seeing people still wish Lenny have the perfect ending with kids. If something good happens to shamy, I keep hearing that it is too "disney" but if something good happens for Lenny , it is just a "feel good" sitcom that shouldn't deal with issues like wanting to be child-free ? I'm finding the super-assymmetry plot to be as dull and poorly written as the next person, but i'm  kinda tired of this double standard. 

Well, yeah. I don't see a double standard here. Rather the usual fandom (over)compensation. The show in its last season seems to me to be victorious but wounded. So I'll take Leonard's advice to Penny to suffer in a silent mourning.

[smartandbeautiful]

Just now, shell said:

Thought they were so 'happy in love' That's not enough?

Yes, they are in love, and so are Sheldon and Amy, but they still have much more stuff going on, so for Lenny fans it seems unfair. I think, if Leonard won a Nobel, Penny had an Oscar and they ended up having three smart and beautiful kids, while Shamy stood behind the kitchen island, (but ‘happy in love’!), you would be upset about your favorite couple as well. 

No hate towards Shamy or anyone, I’m just sad about my OTP, that’s all)

Edited April 6, 2019 by smartandbeautiful

[veejay]

21 minutes ago, smartandbeautiful said:

Yes, they are in love, and so are Sheldon and Amy, but they still have much more stuff going on, so for Lenny fans it seems unfair. I think, if Leonard won a Nobel, Penny had an Oscar and they ended up having three smart and beautiful kids, while Shamy stood behind the kitchen island, (but ‘happy in love’!), you would be upset about your favorite couple as well. 

No hate towards Shamy or anyone, I’m just sad about my OTP, that’s all)

😂

Edited April 6, 2019 by veejay
Of course I'm kidding!

[bfm]

2 hours ago, serena_1995 said:

But isn't it too disney and fairytale-y for Lenny to have  kids to fullfil Leonard's one-sided fantasy from the pilot ? penny wasn't even aware he made that comment. I keep seeing people still wish Lenny have the perfect ending with kids. If something good happens to shamy, I keep hearing that it is too "disney" but if something good happens for Lenny , it is just a "feel good" sitcom that shouldn't deal with issues like wanting to be child-free ? I'm finding the super-assymmetry plot to be as dull and poorly written as the next person, but i'm  kinda tired of this double standard. 

I don't think it's too Disney to expect a couple that wanted children up until a sudden, out-of-the-blue, unconvicing turn, to have children. It wasn't one-sided up until the 12X03, and it sure doesn't help that that major turn was, IMO, poorly executed. If Penny was shown not to want kids some years ago it would've been a whoe other story. Besides, Shamy not winning a Nobel just a bit after coming up with a theoretical idea that is not a huge contribution to science in any way, doesn't seem to me equal to Lenny having to live with that burden of him wanting and her not wanting kids forever. 

Edited April 6, 2019 by bfm

[shell]

1 hour ago, smartandbeautiful said:

Yes, they are in love, and so are Sheldon and Amy, but they still have much more stuff going on, so for Lenny fans it seems unfair. I think, if Leonard won a Nobel, Penny had an Oscar and they ended up having three smart and beautiful kids, while Shamy stood behind the kitchen island, (but ‘happy in love’!), you would be upset about your favorite couple as well. 

No hate towards Shamy or anyone, I’m just sad about my OTP, that’s all)

With all due respect, I could honestly care less. I don't believe all that equals happiness. I feel any kitchen island can be a happy place , as long as you have the right mind set and firm with who you are. 

[smartandbeautiful]

12 minutes ago, shell said:

With all due respect, I could honestly care less. I don't believe all that equals happiness. I feel any kitchen island can be a happy place , as long as you have the right mind set and firm with who you are. 

Well... Don't want to argue, just disagree)

[Sah]

On 4/6/2019 at 9:01 AM, serena_1995 said:

But isn't it too disney and fairytale-y for Lenny to have  kids to fullfil Leonard's one-sided fantasy from the pilot ? penny wasn't even aware he made that comment. I keep seeing people still wish Lenny have the perfect ending with kids. If something good happens to shamy, I keep hearing that it is too "disney" but if something good happens for Lenny , it is just a "feel good" sitcom that shouldn't deal with issues like wanting to be child-free ? I'm finding the super-assymmetry plot to be as dull and poorly written as the next person, but i'm  kinda tired of this double standard. 

Yes! Me too, I am right there with you! 

[Tensor]

On 4/6/2019 at 12:01 PM, serena_1995 said:

But isn't it too disney and fairytale-y for Lenny to have  kids to fullfil Leonard's one-sided fantasy from the pilot ? penny wasn't even aware he made that comment. I keep seeing people still wish Lenny have the perfect ending with kids. If something good happens to shamy, I keep hearing that it is too "disney" but if something good happens for Lenny , it is just a "feel good" sitcom that shouldn't deal with issues like wanting to be child-free ? I'm finding the super-assymmetry plot to be as dull and poorly written as the next person, but i'm  kinda tired of this double standard. 

If it was only Leonard that said he wanted kids, and that one time, I'd be right there with you.  Neither of my daughters want kids,  and I'm fine with that, that's their decision  and they were both up front with their partners, saying they didn't want them.  Not, saying they wanted them multiple times, before dropping the bomb about not wanting them.

If they want to get into issues like being child free, they ought to have done it correctly, have them talk about it before marriage.  If either of them didn't want kids, let that be known before committing to each other in marriage.  Not, have one (it doesn't matter if it's male or female, I know people of both genders who didn't want kids and gotten divorced because it wasn't mentioned or someone changed their mind.) drop that little nugget of information after they were married.  They could have handled this much differently, and it would have been a great foray into being childless, and how anyone can change their mind after they are already married, but they didn't write it that way.  I was, "I know I said I wanted kids, but now I don't, deal with it."

Is she allowed to change her mind?  Sure, no one should be forced to have kids.  But, there is a responsibility that goes along with changing your mind, especially if you are married.  You have to let your husband/wife know that, when you come to that conclusion.  From Penny's reaction, she came to that conclusion a while back, and didn't say anything.  

My issue isn't that they are not going to have kids, my issues is the piss poor way they got to that point.   Not to mention the additional bullshit of the donation arc.  At the end of the first episode it was brought up, they showed Leonard being accepting of it.  If they would have left it that way, I would have been unhappy, but Leonard accepted it, so fine.   In the donation arc, they showed he was not happy with it.  So, now they are left with either Leonard being unhappy, without kids, or Penny being unhappy, with kids.  Neither of them can win in that situation.  

 

 

[joyceraye]

10 hours ago, Tensor said:

Penny being unhappy, with kids.  

Or would she ? I think she'd be one of those (unwilling)  mothers whose feelings changed forever the moment she saw and heard her baby - or even before.

Edited April 9, 2019 by joyceraye

[Chrismo]

On ‎4‎/‎6‎/‎2019 at 2:10 PM, shell said:

With all due respect, I could honestly care less. I don't believe all that equals happiness. I feel any kitchen island can be a happy place , as long as you have the right mind set and firm with who you are. 

That's very easy to say..........................................................after the fact.

[chucky]

1 hour ago, Chrismo said:

That's very easy to say..........................................................after the fact.

So Trueeee!

[Mario D.]

On 4/8/2019 at 10:02 PM, Tensor said:

If it was only Leonard that said he wanted kids, and that one time, I'd be right there with you.  Neither of my daughters want kids,  and I'm fine with that, that's their decision  and they were both up front with their partners, saying they didn't want them.  Not, saying they wanted them multiple times, before dropping the bomb about not wanting them.

If they want to get into issues like being child free, they ought to have done it correctly, have them talk about it before marriage.  If either of them didn't want kids, let that be known before committing to each other in marriage.  Not, have one (it doesn't matter if it's male or female, I know people of both genders who didn't want kids and gotten divorced because it wasn't mentioned or someone changed their mind.) drop that little nugget of information after they were married.  They could have handled this much differently, and it would have been a great foray into being childless, and how anyone can change their mind after they are already married, but they didn't write it that way.  I was, "I know I said I wanted kids, but now I don't, deal with it."

Is she allowed to change her mind?  Sure, no one should be forced to have kids.  But, there is a responsibility that goes along with changing your mind, especially if you are married.  You have to let your husband/wife know that, when you come to that conclusion.  From Penny's reaction, she came to that conclusion a while back, and didn't say anything.  

My issue isn't that they are not going to have kids, my issues is the piss poor way they got to that point.   Not to mention the additional bullshit of the donation arc.  At the end of the first episode it was brought up, they showed Leonard being accepting of it.  If they would have left it that way, I would have been unhappy, but Leonard accepted it, so fine.   In the donation arc, they showed he was not happy with it.  So, now they are left with either Leonard being unhappy, without kids, or Penny being unhappy, with kids.  Neither of them can win in that situation.  

 

 

This is so true.  I feel that  12x20 episode will be a crucial one for Penny & Leonard.  I have not seen a TR for this episode (probably keeping these last three episodes close to the vest) but I think it is immensely important that Penny tell Leonard why she does not want children and will set the tone for the finale.  I just want to see how these writers come up with an explanation that will satisfy everyone since they backed themselves into a corner with 12x3 and the sperm donation episode. Let's see if they are as good as they think they are.

[bfm]

12 minutes ago, Mario D. said:

This is so true.  I feel that  12x20 episode will be a crucial one for Penny & Leonard.  I have not seen a TR for this episode (probably keeping these last three episodes close to the vest) but I think it is immensely important that Penny tell Leonard why she does not want children and will set the tone for the finale.  I just want to see how these writers come up with an explanation that will satisfy everyone since they backed themselves into a corner with 12x3 and the sperm donation episode. Let's see if they are as good as they think they are.

They may not get back to that, it may not be mentioned again. 

[Mario D.]

33 minutes ago, bfm said:

They may not get back to that, it may not be mentioned again. 

Well, if it is not mentioned again as you suggest then I think it will be a very piss-poor way to end the Penny and Leonard story.

[bfm]

37 minutes ago, Mario D. said:

Well, if it is not mentioned again as you suggest then I think it will be a very piss-poor way to end the Penny and Leonard story.

At this point I'm not sure I want them to bring this issue up again, they may make it even worse (for some of us, since obviously opinions differ).

Edited April 11, 2019 by bfm

[chucky]

4 minutes ago, bfm said:

At this point I'm not sure I want them to bring this issue up again, they may make it even worse (for some of us, since obviously opinions differ).

Personally they should let the dead horse lie. But more than likely, they won't!

[Die Zimtzicke]

1 hour ago, bfm said:

At this point I'm not sure I want them to bring this issue up again, they may make it even worse (for some of us, since obviously opinions differ).

Me, either. Unless they change their minds there's no point to it and I see no indication that they want to do that.  To the writers it seems that Lenny are happy and that's all they need.