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23 hours ago, chucky said:

Yippee, Penny got pregnant! We, Lennies, would like to have seen her tell her husband that bit of news! We had to watch Bernadette tell Howard twice. The writers had no problem having Penny tell Leonard she didn't want kids or getting upset with Zack's request! Maybe you didn't want another pregnancy, but some of us did. It was ridiculous that we were forced with, not one but two Howardette pregnancies.

I acknowledged that some posters did. I know you would have liked to have seen that. But I would have been just as happy with none at all, and that includes Howard and Bernie.  But I'm not playing tit for tat just because they gave Howard kids. Maybe it's because 90% of the time I just didn't like Penny. I don't know. But I don't think any of the pregnancies did much for the show and I still think to toss one in at the end was just throwing a bone to the fan base that waited so long for it.

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54 minutes ago, Die Zimtzicke said:

 But I don't think any of the pregnancies did much for the show and I still think to toss one in at the end was just throwing a bone to the fan base that waited so long for it.

Sorta like how they  tossed an unrealistic bone to the fan base that was waiting for a Nobel?

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1 hour ago, Die Zimtzicke said:

Maybe it's because 90% of the time I just didn't like Penny.

I guess that makes us even. because 95% of the time I don't like Sheldon.

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I like The ending in that life just went on for the group.  The pregnancy was great and necessary albeit kind of thrown in as a bone to fans. I liked seeing the Wolowitz kids.   I was never a fan of the Nobel storyline or its domination of the final season, given that, they handled the finale well enough.  Less Sheldon was never going to happen so all in all the finale was pretty good.   

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11 hours ago, MsGreentea said:

I like The ending in that life just went on for the group.  The pregnancy was great and necessary albeit kind of thrown in as a bone to fans. I liked seeing the Wolowitz kids.   I was never a fan of the Nobel storyline or its domination of the final season, given that, they handled the finale well enough.  Less Sheldon was never going to happen so all in all the finale was pretty good.   

I can see where you're coming from here. I believe that in 12/22, they could have shown Penny discovering she was pregnant and her telling Leonard. That's such a huge moment in a marriage. But, that's just my opinion!!!

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16 hours ago, Tensor said:

Sorta like how they  tossed an unrealistic bone to the fan base that was waiting for a Nobel?

YES! Exactly! Although I was not waiting for a Nobel personally. I really thought they were going to get nominated but not win, and that was what was going to make Sheldon appreciate his friends finally. (Because they would still support him even if he didn't have a Nobel.) I'm glad he finally appreciated his friends, but I still would have liked my way better. It would have made more sense to me.

 

15 hours ago, chucky said:

I guess that makes us even. because 95% of the time I don't like Sheldon.

And that is okay. Sometimes we have agreed, and sometimes we have not, but I've always enjoyed your posts. THAT is what really matters. No one here ever said anyone had to like every single thing about the show to be a fan. That's what irritated me on a few other boards. If you were at all critical of anything they did, anything at all, some of the people on there were always like, "Well, why do you watch the show then? Why don't you go away?" I didn't stop watching because there was always more to like than I disliked and I still wanted to see what happened next.

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Just pointing out, by their interviews, the writers actually planned for Penny to be pregnant at the finale all along, it wasn't just a bone thrown to fans. In fact, according to Holland, it was this tat made them decide to "write against it", i.e. 12X03. I won't go into my opinion about that strategy, but I wanted to point out the facts as revealed by TPTB.

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18 minutes ago, bfm said:

Just pointing out, by their interviews, the writers actually planned for Penny to be pregnant at the finale all along, it wasn't just a bone thrown to fans. In fact, according to Holland, it was this tat made them decide to "write against it", i.e. 12X03. I won't go into my opinion about that strategy, but I wanted to point out the facts as revealed by TPTB.

If you remember correctly, it was me all along who had expected just that...well, because I think I'm smart and ...maybe. 🙂

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27 minutes ago, bfm said:

Just pointing out, by their interviews, the writers actually planned for Penny to be pregnant at the finale all along, it wasn't just a bone thrown to fans. In fact, according to Holland, it was this tat made them decide to "write against it", i.e. 12X03. I won't go into my opinion about that strategy, but I wanted to point out the facts as revealed by TPTB.

OK, if the writers and Holland say so. But, since I have no trust whatsoever in that group of individuals, I'll take that bit of info with a grain of salt. 

2 hours ago, Die Zimtzicke said:

And that is okay. Sometimes we have agreed, and sometimes we have not, but I've always enjoyed your posts. THAT is what really matters. No one here ever said anyone had to like every single thing about the show to be a fan. That's what irritated me on a few other boards. If you were at all critical of anything they did, anything at all, some of the people on there were always like, "Well, why do you watch the show then? Why don't you go away?" I didn't stop watching because there was always more to like than I disliked and I still wanted to see what happened next.

I sincerely agree!  :hi:

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For me the ending was fine.  It's the season leading up to it that left something to be desired.

I never cared if there was Lenny pregnant story line or of it was just a reveal in finale or even a flash forward.  It just makes so much of the actual Lenny story for s12 a complete an utter waste.

Whatever the motivation, it just rang false and just reinforced my belief that to some extent that s12 was being phoned in by TPTB.  That's my problem with it all.... 

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17 minutes ago, Denise07 said:

For me the ending was fine.  It's the season leading up to it that left something to be desired.

I never cared if there was Lenny pregnant story line or of it was just a reveal in finale or even a flash forward.  It just makes so much of the actual Lenny story for s12 a complete an utter waste.

Whatever the motivation, it just rang false and just reinforced my belief that to some extent that s12 was being phoned in by TPTB.  That's my problem with it all.... 

I have to agree. Season 12 was a waste, but then Season 11 was a waste as well.

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18 minutes ago, Denise07 said:

For me the ending was fine.  It's the season leading up to it that left something to be desired.

I never cared if there was Lenny pregnant story line or of it was just a reveal in finale or even a flash forward.  It just makes so much of the actual Lenny story for s12 a complete an utter waste.

Whatever the motivation, it just rang false and just reinforced my belief that to some extent that s12 was being phoned in by TPTB.  That's my problem with it all.... 

True  If they knew season 12 was to be the last they should have come up with more compelling and deeper storylines. Not just for Lenny but all the characters.  Even Raj who was more a fill-in character than an actual primary one. To end his story without any real conclusion was just tragic.  And yes, there was way too much of the Shamy/Nobel storyline.

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1 minute ago, Mario D. said:

And yes, there was way too much of the Shamy/Nobel storyline.

For Sure! Wayyyy tooo much!

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21 hours ago, bfm said:

Just pointing out, by their interviews, the writers actually planned for Penny to be pregnant at the finale all along, it wasn't just a bone thrown to fans. In fact, according to Holland, it was this tat made them decide to "write against it", i.e. 12X03. I won't go into my opinion about that strategy, but I wanted to point out the facts as revealed by TPTB.

I'll give my opinion of that strategy. It was lame-ass stupid.

 

21 hours ago, chucky said:

OK, if the writers and Holland say so. But, since I have no trust whatsoever in that group of individuals, I'll take that bit of info with a grain of salt. 

This is one of the things I TOTALLY agree with you on.

 

20 hours ago, Denise07 said:

I never cared if there was Lenny pregnant story line or of it was just a reveal in finale or even a flash forward.  It just makes so much of the actual Lenny story for s12 a complete an utter waste.

Whatever the motivation, it just rang false and just reinforced my belief that to some extent that s12 was being phoned in by TPTB.  That's my problem with it all.... 

I also TOTALLY agree with this. I thought they were going downhill from season eight. And the last two seasons especially so. I don't know why they even did them, aside from the money, as they were that bad.

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2 hours ago, Die Zimtzicke said:

I'll give my opinion of that strategy. It was lame-ass stupid.

We're in total agreement there!

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On 6/18/2019 at 3:30 AM, bfm said:

Just pointing out, by their interviews, the writers actually planned for Penny to be pregnant at the finale all along, it wasn't just a bone thrown to fans. In fact, according to Holland, it was this tat made them decide to "write against it", i.e. 12X03. I won't go into my opinion about that strategy, but I wanted to point out the facts as revealed by TPTB.

I don't think the idea or concept from the writers behalf was bad. Just their overall execution was really off. Pennys pregnancy despite being planned, was really fan service. But hey I prefer that ending, then say Leonard Dream Sequence ending. 

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2 hours ago, 3ku11 said:

I don't think the idea or concept from the writers behalf was bad. Just their overall execution was really off. Pennys pregnancy despite being planned, was really fan service. But hey I prefer that ending, then say Leonard Dream Sequence ending. 

What I was saying is that according to the writers themselves it was something they wanted to do, not fan service. 

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15 minutes ago, bfm said:

What I was saying is that according to the writers themselves it was something they wanted to do, not fan service. 

If you choose to believe them and I don't. But, that's just me. I think I've made it clear by now my low opinion of the writers.

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8 hours ago, chucky said:

If you choose to believe them and I don't. But, that's just me. I think I've made it clear by now my low opinion of the writers.

I have as low an opinion of them as he does, if not lower.

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On 6/18/2019 at 10:46 PM, bfm said:

What I was saying is that according to the writers themselves it was something they wanted to do, not fan service. 

Personally, I don't believe them. All they cared about was Shamy's wedding in Season 11 and that Shamy's Nobel in Season 12. In my opinion that was a total waste of two years. Don't get me started on Bernadette's second pregnancy. That was just a knee jerk reaction to Melissa being pregnant. The writers showed no creativity in disguising her pregnancy. When she started to show, she could have skyped from a work related location or some other plan to hide it. They had  plenty of time to come up with a plan for that eventuality.

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9 hours ago, chucky said:

Personally, I don't believe them. All they cared about was Shamy's wedding in Season 11 and that Shamy's Nobel in Season 12. In my opinion that was a total waste of two years. Don't get me started on Bernadette's second pregnancy. That was just a knee jerk reaction to Melissa being pregnant. The writers showed no creativity in disguising her pregnancy. When she started to show, she could have skyped from a work related location or some other plan to hide it. They had  plenty of time to come up with a plan for that eventuality.

They don't need to be creative to think of making Penny pregnant in the finale to refer to the very well known smart and beautiful sentence.

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36 minutes ago, bfm said:

They don't need to be creative to think of making Penny pregnant in the finale

Not what I was refering to in being creative. I was talking about Melissa's pregnancy. they could been creative in disguising the pregnancy. When she started to show, they could have sent her on a work related trip and have her skyp with Howie and the gang. Having her pregnant again on the show was ridiculous, in my opinion.

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20 hours ago, chucky said:

Not what I was refering to in being creative. I was talking about Melissa's pregnancy. they could been creative in disguising the pregnancy. When she started to show, they could have sent her on a work related trip and have her skyp with Howie and the gang. Having her pregnant again on the show was ridiculous, in my opinion.

You were saying you didn't believe what the writers said, that they planned ahead to have Penny pregnant in the finale. Your claim was that they weren't creative and you gave Melissa's pregnancy as an example. I said, IMO, they didn't have to be creative to think of the Penny pregnancy.

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