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In Young Sheldon S1E22, at the last few seconds, Older Sheldon narrated, "I would go on to draw up such contracts throughout my life. With roommates, with my wife, even with my own children."
At TBBT's Amy and Sheldon wedding episode, Sheldon said they'd have to decide whether to raise their children as fans of the Renaissance or Enlightenment historical periods. What do you think their children will be like?

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13 hours ago, BearJere said:

In Young Sheldon S1E22, at the last few seconds, Older Sheldon narrated, "I would go on to draw up such contracts throughout my life. With roommates, with my wife, even with my own children."
At TBBT's Amy and Sheldon wedding episode, Sheldon said they'd have to decide whether to raise their children as fans of the Renaissance or Enlightenment historical periods. What do you think their children will be like?

Since I never watch Young Sheldon, as I prefer the original Sheldon. Be that as it may, I see them confused. Compared to Lenny and Howardette's kids, they will be bound to the Parent/Children agreement and will have no fun whatsoever.  :hi:

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8 hours ago, chucky said:

Since I never watch Young Sheldon, as I prefer the original Sheldon. Be that as it may, I see them confused. Compared to Lenny and Howardette's kids, they will be bound to the Parent/Children agreement and will have no fun whatsoever.  :hi:

Amy might be more sensical than Sheldon.

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2 hours ago, BearJere said:

Amy might be more sensical than Sheldon.

Maybe so, but Sheldon is the king of agreement documents. Besides, Amy did sign the Relationship Agreement to make Sheldon happy. Who knows if she would allow a Parent/Child Agreement. She really don't have a good track record in agreements.  :sungum:

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On 12/2/2019 at 5:49 PM, chucky said:

Since I never watch Young Sheldon, as I prefer the original Sheldon. Be that as it may, I see them confused. Compared to Lenny and Howardette's kids, they will be bound to the Parent/Children agreement and will have no fun whatsoever.  :hi:

I think Sheldon understands how hard life can be without allowing himself to have so much fun and obliging by so many things, I also think that Amy wouldnt allow Sheldon to make their life so strict they won't have fun and not alot of friends because of how hard we are told her life was before meeting the group. In one of the episodes Sheldon and Amy do a sample that is exposed to different things where aparently the sample is 'smart’, so that suggests the child is going to be smart. I think Amy would fight for their children to have a possibly less demanding and strict contract and probably use the same excuse Bernie used a few times to get her way.

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47 minutes ago, Evz-14 said:

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I think Sheldon understands how hard life can be without allowing himself to have so much fun and obliging by so many things, I also think that Amy wouldnt allow Sheldon to make their life so strict they won't have fun and not alot of friends because of how hard we are told her life was before meeting the group. In one of the episodes Sheldon and Amy do a sample that is exposed to different things where aparently the sample is 'smart’, so that suggests the child is going to be smart. I think Amy would fight for their children to have a possibly less demanding and strict contract and probably use the same excuse Bernie used a few times to get her way.

If you say so, but, I do disagree.

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2 hours ago, chucky said:

If you say so, but, I do disagree.

I'm not saying it is what is the truth it's just my opinion

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12 minutes ago, Evz-14 said:

I'm not saying it is what is the truth it's just my opinion

As I am stating my opinion. 

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There is no reason to assume that Sheldon's relationship agreements would necessarily preclude the possibility for his children to have fun, friendships, or a wide variety of experiences. Sheldon, on TBBT and YS, has a lot of fun doing many different things. As much as his quirkiness permits he has varying types of experiences. Leonard, who signed the roommate agreement, has had many fun times with, and apart from, Sheldon. Amy signed the relationship agreement, (largely written to benefit Sheldon), and no one can logically argue that her life is devoid of fun, adventure, and diverse opportunities for new experiences.

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2 hours ago, HeWolf said:

There is no reason to assume that Sheldon's relationship agreements would necessarily preclude the possibility for his children to have fun, friendships, or a wide variety of experiences. Sheldon, on TBBT and YS, has a lot of fun doing many different things. As much as his quirkiness permits he has varying types of experiences. Leonard, who signed the roommate agreement, has had many fun times with, and apart from, Sheldon. Amy signed the relationship agreement, (largely written to benefit Sheldon), and no one can logically argue that her life is devoid of fun, adventure, and diverse opportunities for new experiences.

Be that as it may, the "Contracts" signed by both Leonard and Amy were slanted in Sheldon's favor so he always gets his way. The "Fun" was what Sheldon thought was fun. Which in reality wasn't fun. Everything was carefully planned out by Sheldon. No spontaneity whatsoever. Leonard's life was, in my opinion, boring until he started dating Penny.

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8 hours ago, chucky said:

Be that as it may, the "Contracts" signed by both Leonard and Amy were slanted in Sheldon's favor so he always gets his way. The "Fun" was what Sheldon thought was fun. Which in reality wasn't fun. Everything was carefully planned out by Sheldon. No spontaneity whatsoever. Leonard's life was, in my opinion, boring until he started dating Penny.

Sheldon was my favorite character because his story lines were the funniest and most unpredictable. (and I love JP) He was very spontaneous. Like when he met James Earl Jones and hung out with him all night, Skywalker Ranch was all him, Stealing Indiana Jones movie, bongos at three in the morning, adopting 20 cats, getting a job busing tables, agreeing to take part in the Spock-umentary, I know I can go on.... Penny and Leonard scenes were boring All they did was drink and make out

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1 hour ago, shell said:

Sheldon was my favorite character because his story lines were the funniest and most unpredictable. (and I love JP) He was very spontaneous. Like when he met James Earl Jones and hung out with him all night, Skywalker Ranch was all him, Stealing Indiana Jones movie, bongos at three in the morning, adopting 20 cats, getting a job busing tables, agreeing to take part in the Spock-umentary, I know I can go on.... Penny and Leonard scenes were boring All they did was drink and make out

I see you remember the nice and fun moments in Sheldon's time. You've seem to have over looked the mean, condescending, inconsiderate moments. He even called himself a baby in the dining room table episode.

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6 minutes ago, chucky said:

I see you remember the nice and fun moments in Sheldon's time. You've seem to have over looked the mean, condescending, inconsiderate moments. He even called himself a baby in the dining room table episode.

Last I knew the topic was Sheldon's spontaneity.   

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3 minutes ago, shell said:

Last I knew the topic was Sheldon's spontaneity.   

Sheldon doesn't do spontaneity. He plans everything.

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1 minute ago, chucky said:

Sheldon doesn't do spontaneity. He plans everything.

I disagree as I've stated in earlier post. (And proof from actual episodes)

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9 minutes ago, shell said:

I disagree as I've stated in earlier post. (And proof from actual episodes)

All those things were planned even if it happened off screen. Sheldon Cooper, has to plan everything including what he eats each meal each day. Their is no spontaneity.

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16 hours ago, chucky said:

All those things were planned even if it happened off screen. Sheldon Cooper, has to plan everything including what he eats each meal each day. Their is no spontaneity.

Disagree immensely

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2 minutes ago, shell said:

Disagree immensely

That's OK, it's you're decision. It is what it is as I am moving on. Good day.

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18 hours ago, shell said:

Sheldon was my favorite character because his story lines were the funniest and most unpredictable. (and I love JP) He was very spontaneous. Like when he met James Earl Jones and hung out with him all night, 

That was planned.  Remember, he did research and planned to go to the restaurant, because he was trying to get Jones to appear at his convention.  Everything about the night was spontaneous, only because Jones did it, Sheldon didn't suggest anything they did and if you remember, Sheldon wasn't happy with some of those choices.  

18 hours ago, shell said:

 Skywalker Ranch was all him, 

This one, I'll agree with. 

18 hours ago, shell said:

Stealing Indiana Jones movie,

Planned, to spite the others.  

 

18 hours ago, shell said:

bongos at three in the morning, adopting 20 cats, 

Only because he wasn't himself.  In both cases he was under duress (Lack of his haircut and trying to replace Amy, respectively).

18 hours ago, shell said:

getting a job busing tables, 

Planned, as a way to relieve his brain from thinking about the graphene sheets.   

18 hours ago, shell said:

 agreeing to take part in the Spock-umentary, 

Offered to be a part of something he loved is not really spontaneous.  It was to his advantage.

 

18 hours ago, shell said:

I know I can go on....   Penny and Leonard scenes were boring All they did was drink and make out

If so, then please explain his lining up his cereal by fiber content.  Or, his wearing of pajamas on certain days. Or having specific meal nights. Or his fixation on doing his laundry on Saturday, or his three knocks.  Or, to bring back the bongos, his inability to have his hair cut by anyone other than Mr Denofrio.  Or, perhaps his insistence on have the thermometer set at a particular temperature.  Or, how about planning out everything about the trip to Sweden?  Maybe you could also explain his aversion to any change in his routine.   All those indicate he lives a rather planned, rigid, life.

18 hours ago, shell said:

 Penny and Leonard scenes were boring All they did was drink and make out

You mean like when they went shooting (and Leonard shot himself), or the farmer's market, or when they went to get a Christmas tree. or the Valentine's day episodes.   See, there are enough examples and counter examples to make anyone's point.  In general, Leonard and Penny didn't do much of anything, simply because the writers chose not to (or they were unable to ) write anything more than that for them.   Writing something funny for a narcissistic, pain-in-the ass, is much easier than trying to actually write something about a regular run of the mill couple.  I don't like, to watch narcissistic, pain-in-the ass, people, hurt their friends.  It's understandable when the person is doing it, without knowing they are hurting others.  But,  by the latter half of the show Sheldon definitely knew he was hurting them, and yet he continued.  Making him nothing more than a jerk.  That the others stood by him, and only occasionally lashing out back at him, says much more about their love and understanding of his problems, than anything he can do.  

What's interesting to me, is that many of his supporters talk about his having Asperger's, and point to the depiction of his scheduled, rigid life.  Yet, those same supports say nothing about his being narcissistic, where one of the key points in describing a narcissist is:  a mental condition in which people have an inflated sense of their own importance, a deep need for excessive attention and admiration, and a lack of empathy for others.  Sounds a lot like Sheldon.  

 

 

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21 minutes ago, Tensor said:

 

That was planned.  Remember, he did research and planned to go to the restaurant, because he was trying to get Jones to appear at his convention.  Everything about the night was spontaneous, only because Jones did it, Sheldon didn't suggest anything they did and if you remember, Sheldon wasn't happy with some of those choices.  

This one, I'll agree with. 

Planned, to spite the others.  

 

Only because he wasn't himself.  In both cases he was under duress (Lack of his haircut and trying to replace Amy, respectively).

Planned, as a way to relieve his brain from thinking about the graphene sheets.   

Offered to be a part of something he loved is not really spontaneous.  It was to his advantage.

 

If so, then please explain his lining up his cereal by fiber content.  Or, his wearing of pajamas on certain days. Or having specific meal nights. Or his fixation on doing his laundry on Saturday, or his three knocks.  Or, to bring back the bongos, his inability to have his hair cut by anyone other than Mr Denofrio.  Or, perhaps his insistence on have the thermometer set at a particular temperature.  Or, how about planning out everything about the trip to Sweden?  Maybe you could also explain his aversion to any change in his routine.   All those indicate he lives a rather planned, rigid, life.

You mean like when they went shooting (and Leonard shot himself), or the farmer's market, or when they went to get a Christmas tree. or the Valentine's day episodes.   See, there are enough examples and counter examples to make anyone's point.  In general, Leonard and Penny didn't do much of anything, simply because the writers chose not to (or they were unable to ) write anything more than that for them.   Writing something funny for a narcissistic, pain-in-the ass, is much easier than trying to actually write something about a regular run of the mill couple.  I don't like, to watch narcissistic, pain-in-the ass, people, hurt their friends.  It's understandable when the person is doing it, without knowing they are hurting others.  But,  by the latter half of the show Sheldon definitely knew he was hurting them, and yet he continued.  Making him nothing more than a jerk.  That the others stood by him, and only occasionally lashing out back at him, says much more about their love and understanding of his problems, than anything he can do.  

What's interesting to me, is that many of his supporters talk about his having Asperger's, and point to the depiction of his scheduled, rigid life.  Yet, those same supports say nothing about his being narcissistic, where one of the key points in describing a narcissist is:  a mental condition in which people have an inflated sense of their own importance, a deep need for excessive attention and admiration, and a lack of empathy for others.  Sounds a lot like Sheldon.  

 

 

Wow, all this on Sheldon's spontaneity.

I don't agree with any of your counterpoints because Sheldon never planned to actually do all those things with JEJ but he went along and did them. He never planned to steal movie he just did it without thinking. He lines up cereal because of the character the writers created. He can have routines and still be spontaneous. 

 

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19 minutes ago, shell said:

Wow, all this on Sheldon's spontaneity.

Well, it is part of whether or not his spontaneity, or lack of such,  will allow his children to have any fun.    I could always point out that he approves of Beverly's method of raising her children. 

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I don't agree with any of your counterpoints because Sheldon never planned to actually do all those things with JEJ but he went along and did them. 

As a means to get JEJ to attend his convention.  He found out where JEJ was going to be eating, then went there to ask him to attend the convention Sheldon was trying to arrange.  That's planning.  

 

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He never planned to steal movie he just did it without thinking. 

Sorry, from the transcripts of the show:

Sheldon: Raiders of the Lost Ark, with 21 additional seconds. If I can’t see it, no one else can see it.

He planned to take it, so others couldn't see it.  He was simply being vindictive.  

 

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 He lines up cereal because of the character the writers created. 

If this is the case, then nothing he did was spontaneous, it's just what the writers created.  

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He can have routines and still be spontaneous. 

Which is exactly what I said.  You can find examples to support your contentions, and I can find examples to support mine.  In general, he is rigid and plans things out.  His examples of being spontaneous are far outweighed by his sticking with his schedules and plans, because of his fear of change.  

 

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28 minutes ago, Tensor said:

 

That was planned.  Remember, he did research and planned to go to the restaurant, because he was trying to get Jones to appear at his convention.  Everything about the night was spontaneous, only because Jones did it, Sheldon didn't suggest anything they did and if you remember, Sheldon wasn't happy with some of those choices.  

This one, I'll agree with. 

Planned, to spite the others.  

 

Only because he wasn't himself.  In both cases he was under duress (Lack of his haircut and trying to replace Amy, respectively).

Planned, as a way to relieve his brain from thinking about the graphene sheets.   

Offered to be a part of something he loved is not really spontaneous.  It was to his advantage.

 

If so, then please explain his lining up his cereal by fiber content.  Or, his wearing of pajamas on certain days. Or having specific meal nights. Or his fixation on doing his laundry on Saturday, or his three knocks.  Or, to bring back the bongos, his inability to have his hair cut by anyone other than Mr Denofrio.  Or, perhaps his insistence on have the thermometer set at a particular temperature.  Or, how about planning out everything about the trip to Sweden?  Maybe you could also explain his aversion to any change in his routine.   All those indicate he lives a rather planned, rigid, life.

You mean like when they went shooting (and Leonard shot himself), or the farmer's market, or when they went to get a Christmas tree. or the Valentine's day episodes.   See, there are enough examples and counter examples to make anyone's point.  In general, Leonard and Penny didn't do much of anything, simply because the writers chose not to (or they were unable to ) write anything more than that for them.   Writing something funny for a narcissistic, pain-in-the ass, is much easier than trying to actually write something about a regular run of the mill couple.  I don't like, to watch narcissistic, pain-in-the ass, people, hurt their friends.  It's understandable when the person is doing it, without knowing they are hurting others.  But,  by the latter half of the show Sheldon definitely knew he was hurting them, and yet he continued.  Making him nothing more than a jerk.  That the others stood by him, and only occasionally lashing out back at him, says much more about their love and understanding of his problems, than anything he can do.  

What's interesting to me, is that many of his supporters talk about his having Asperger's, and point to the depiction of his scheduled, rigid life.  Yet, those same supports say nothing about his being narcissistic, where one of the key points in describing a narcissist is:  a mental condition in which people have an inflated sense of their own importance, a deep need for excessive attention and admiration, and a lack of empathy for others.  Sounds a lot like Sheldon.  

 

 

I think I can agree with everything you explain. It is true by the end of the series I believe Sheldon knew exactly what he does is hurtful and doesn't really care. There were so many instances that show Sheldon's insulting and condescending attitude that it makes you wonder how he managed to keep any friends. One instance that comes to mind as I saw the episode just last night was when Penny and Amy take the boys shopping and Sheldon and Leonard end up having a disagreement about their living arrangements.  Sheldon compromises (?) to let Leonard stay with Penny one night a week, but what happens is that Sheldon winds up sleeping on Penny's couch What the hell kind of a friend does that. Also, when Sheldon was locked out of his apt. in another episode didn't he make the excuse he was too big for the couch to sleep on and just  removed Penny from her bed.

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1 hour ago, Tensor said:

 His examples of being spontaneous are far outweighed by his sticking with his schedules and plans, because of his fear of change.

100 per cent correct!

2 hours ago, Tensor said:

What's interesting to me, is that many of his supporters talk about his having Asperger's, and point to the depiction of his scheduled, rigid life.  Yet, those same supports say nothing about his being narcissistic, where one of the key points in describing a narcissist is:  a mental condition in which people have an inflated sense of their own importance, a deep need for excessive attention and admiration, and a lack of empathy for others.  Sounds a lot like Sheldon.

Have to agree with all tour comments.

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Well, going back to the original question of this thread, I think Sheldon's a very Enlightment guy.

 

As for Sheldon as a parent, IMO of course he'd be "unusual", and he'd have many challenges, he's Sheldon. But I don't think he'd be so bad.

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