Are Penny the second most popular character ?

[NeckShotLime]

On 4/7/2021 at 5:27 PM, chucky said:

I only have one disagreement. Sheldon from first to last. I had enough of condescending, know-it-all jerk Sheldon after the first season.

I was mostly ambivalent about him in the first five seasons , I found him  incredibly annoying yet entertaining ( most times), I even felt sorry for him a couple of times, thinking it must not be easy being him. Mid season 6 is when he really started to irk me ,up to a point that at the end of the seventh season , I simply couldn't stand him anymore . Granted , he got to become a better partner to Amy ( that's the only growth Ive seen in him but i'm very biased)  after that  but he kept on treating his friends like crap until the end !! Maybe that's why Leonard is my most liked character , he is flawed for sure but the guy has the patience of a f*cking saint!! 

I wonder which version of Sheldon is the most liked nowadays . 

Edited April 8, 2021 by NeckShotLime
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[chucky]

1 hour ago, NeckShotLime said:

Maybe that's why Leonard is my most liked character , he is flawed for sure but the guy has the patience of a f*cking saint!! 

He most definitely does. He, as well as he rest of the gang have a lot of patience. I guess that's what I liked about Leslie Winkle. She didn't take Sheldon's crap.

[HeWolf]

On 4/8/2021 at 1:02 PM, NeckShotLime said:

I wonder which version of Sheldon is the most liked nowadays . 

I cannot say that I ever 'liked' Sheldon. I did find Sheldon 1.0 greatly entertaining. This character was gone by the beginning of Season 5 and his future iterations were mostly annoying and sometimes really difficult to watch. 

Original Sheldon was a unique character who was played masterfully by Jim Parsons. I know there are many fans that say the character had to evolve. Maybe that's right. I do know that the process he underwent on the show was often ill conceived and frequently unbelievable. At one point they had him going around calling people vegetables. Jeez!

Edited April 9, 2021 by HeWolf

[Mario D.]

8 minutes ago, HeWolf said:

I cannot say that I ever 'liked' Sheldon. I did find Sheldon 1.0 greatly entertaining. This character was gone by the beginning of Season 5 and his future iterations were mostly annoying and sometimes really difficult to watch. 

Original Sheldon was a unique character who was played masterfully by Jim Parsons. I know there are many fans that say the character had to evolve. Maybe that's right. I do know that the process he underwent on the show was often ill conceived and frequently unbelievable. At one point they had him going around calling people vegetables. Jeez!

After watching the episodes the first time I thought Sheldon was irritating but tolerable. I liked especially in the early seasons when him and Penny went at it. That was joyful to see Sheldon getting some comeuppance once in awhile. But now seeing all the reruns of the seasons he really grates on me and I think how can a man that is a genius be so clueless in social interaction. And his repeated insults and remarks to Penny about her sexual history when he considers her one of his "dearest" friends is just disgraceful.

[HeWolf]

18 minutes ago, Mario D. said:

 And his repeated insults and remarks to Penny about her sexual history when he considers her one of his "dearest" friends is just disgraceful.

THIS was one of the prime sticking points during the Shenny wars on the forum.

[NeckShotLime]

23 hours ago, HeWolf said:

I cannot say that I ever 'liked' Sheldon. I did find Sheldon 1.0 greatly entertaining. This character was gone by the beginning of Season 5 and his future iterations were mostly annoying and sometimes really difficult to watch. 

Original Sheldon was a unique character who was played masterfully by Jim Parsons. I know there are many fans that say the character had to evolve. Maybe that's right. I do know that the process he underwent on the show was often ill conceived and frequently unbelievable. At one point they had him going around calling people vegetables. Jeez!

Hi HeWolf 

I think in some ways they had to evolve him . All the characters changed ( not for the best for some of them , Hi Raj ! ) , I'm not convinced they always made the right choices regarding Sheldon. To me, he went from child-like to just childish , there are many lines of dialogue and scenes that really made me cringe and feel sorry for Jim. I have just rewatched season 9 and now on season 10, I have a hard time believing that people who found the early Sheldon entertaining would still find him entertaining in the later seasons. I could see the appeal in the first seasons, after that, not so much. 

[Tensor]

On 4/9/2021 at 2:38 PM, HeWolf said:

I cannot say that I ever 'liked' Sheldon. I did find Sheldon 1.0 greatly entertaining. This character was gone by the beginning of Season 5 and his future iterations were mostly annoying and sometimes really difficult to watch. 

Original Sheldon was a unique character who was played masterfully by Jim Parsons. I know there are many fans that say the character had to evolve. Maybe that's right. I do know that the process he underwent on the show was often ill conceived and frequently unbelievable. At one point they had him going around calling people vegetables. Jeez!

I've said this before, but I can pinpoint exactly when  I could no long consider Sheldon's words or actions innocencent for me.  Season 6, episode 8.  During his conversation with Leonard about Penny and the British guy.  When he said something about Penny thinking she was a chicken pecking for corn, and then mimed  Penny performing oral sex, they couldn't go back to claiming he didn't understand.  When they tried that, it was no longer believable for me.  

 

[shell]

4 hours ago, Tensor said:

I've said this before, but I can pinpoint exactly when  I could no long consider Sheldon's words or actions innocencent for me.  Season 6, episode 8.  During his conversation with Leonard about Penny and the British guy.  When he said something about Penny thinking she was a chicken pecking for corn, and then mimed  Penny performing oral sex, they couldn't go back to claiming he didn't understand.  When they tried that, it was no longer believable for me.  

 

Wow, this show is analyzed too much--seeing things that just aren't there

[chucky]

8 hours ago, Tensor said:

I've said this before, but I can pinpoint exactly when  I could no long consider Sheldon's words or actions innocencent for me.  Season 6, episode 8.  During his conversation with Leonard about Penny and the British guy.  When he said something about Penny thinking she was a chicken pecking for corn, and then mimed  Penny performing oral sex, they couldn't go back to claiming he didn't understand.  When they tried that, it was no longer believable for me.  

 

I totally agree!

[Tensor]

3 hours ago, shell said:

Wow, this show is analyzed too much--seeing things that just aren't there

Seeing things that aren’t there?   Are you saying Sheldon didn’t say anything about Penny being a chicken pecking corn, or miming oral sex?  Because it’s right there in that episode. 

[Mario D.]

5 hours ago, Tensor said:

Seeing things that aren’t there?   Are you saying Sheldon didn’t say anything about Penny being a chicken pecking corn, or miming oral sex?  Because it’s right there in that episode. 

The sad part about this is that Leonard believed Sheldon and submitted to his urge to confront  Pennys classmate,  Cole and embarrass him and Penny

[chucky]

54 minutes ago, Mario D. said:

The sad part about this is that Leonard believed Sheldon and submitted to his urge to confront  Pennys classmate,  Cole and embarrass him and Penny

True.

[shell]

1 hour ago, Mario D. said:

The sad part about this is that Leonard believed Sheldon and submitted to his urge to confront  Pennys classmate,  Cole and embarrass him and Penny

Worked out fine. Besides the fact Leonard is responsible for his own actions, the incident inspired Penny to tell him she loved him.

[Tensor]

49 minutes ago, shell said:

Worked out fine. Besides the fact Leonard is responsible for his own actions, the incident inspired Penny to tell him she loved him.

Doesn't change the fact that in that instance Sheldon was  jerk.   

Are you still claiming I'm Seeing things that aren’t there?   Are you saying Sheldon didn’t say anything about Penny being a chicken pecking corn, or miming oral sex?  Because it’s right there in that episode. 

[chucky]

On 5/5/2021 at 4:24 PM, Tensor said:

Doesn't change the fact that in that instance Sheldon was  jerk.   

Are you still claimingz I'm Seeing things that aren’t there?   Are you saying Sheldon didn’t say anything about Penny being a chicken pecking corn, or miming oral sex?  Because it’s right there in that episode. 

You are right. Those actions by Sheldon are there. I guess there are different interpretations of what we watched.

[TLW]

On 4/6/2021 at 8:20 AM, HeWolf said:

I see the wild card regarding Penny as being Chuck Lorre. Penny as seen during the 12 year run of TBBT was much different than originally envisioned by Mr. Lorre. If Chuck had his way, the Penny character would probably have been more akin to a female Charlie Harper. This was evidenced in the original, (rejected), pilot. Fortunately, the character was reworked and recast.

My personal perspective is that any time Penny did something that made her a questionable character it was due to some Chuck Lorre influence.

A scene I thought put the character in a very bad light (along with others already mentioned) is her saying she and her friends tied up that girl and left her in a corn field all night.

Edited January 16, 2022 by TLW